Gun related incidents up 37%

[mexi cali]

So I read this article, which too me sounded like a condemnation once again of gun ownership, but it really wasn't. It was a statistical report without the necessary statistics, namely where the hand guns used in crime are coming from.

It admits to three types of hand guns used in crimes; legally owned, illegally owned or having been brought in to Canada from the US, also illegal but deserving of its own category.

The fail here is when it is disclosed that there is no information gathering system that is being used consistently to record which of the three types of hand guns were utilized in crimes committed.

How is that possible? The easiest and first thing to be done when a crime is committed using hand guns; run the serial number.

If it was legally purchased, you know who it was registered to. If the serial number doesn't come up, it came from the US and if there is no serial number, it is illegal.

Apaprently there is a process being created which will address this "issue" but it may take years.

How has this not been done to date?

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/37 ... ort#370279

[featfan]

Someone gets stabbed, they blame the stabber.
Someone gets blown up, they blame the bomber
Someone gets carjacked, they blame the carjacker.
Someone gets shot, they blame the gun!

[django]

Interesting report and I agree it's a complete fail, they can't even say if a firearm was actually used to hurt someone or if there was just one nearby that was seized for an unknown reason during the investigation of some other issue. Lots of unknown or ignored information. BC doesn't even get an honorable mention with all our gang shootings.

So I read this article, which too me sounded like a condemnation once again of gun ownership, but it really wasn't. It was a statistical report without the necessary statistics, namely where the hand guns used in crime are coming from.

It admits to three types of hand guns used in crimes; legally owned, illegally owned or having been brought in to Canada from the US, also illegal but deserving of its own category.

The fail here is when it is disclosed that there is no information gathering system that is being used consistently to record which of the three types of hand guns were utilized in crimes committed.

How is that possible? The easiest and first thing to be done when a crime is committed using hand guns; run the serial number.

If it was legally purchased, you know who it was registered to. If the serial number doesn't come up, it came from the US and if there is no serial number, it is illegal.

Apaprently there is a process being created which will address this "issue" but it may take years.

How has this not been done to date?

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/37 ... ort#370279

[zoo]

Someone gets stabbed, they blame the stabber.
Someone gets blown up, they blame the bomber
Someone gets carjacked, they blame the carjacker.
Someone gets shot, they blame the gun!

OK, you got us all on that one.
If everyone could lose the politics on this, we would probably all agree this is about mental illness and contributing factors to this individuals behavior.

[featfan]

Anyone know why it is called the Black Market?

[alanjh595]

Anyone know why it is called the Black Market?

Yeah, considering there are no Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, White, markets.

I am guessing that "black" is the darkest of all visible colours.

The NAACP should be all over this as being racist and derogatory.

What difference does it REALLY make?

Black Hole, Black Sapphire, Black Sand, Black Gold.
https://www.colorsexplained.com/black-t ... are-black/

Why such a question?

[Jlabute]

Take away the guns, and what’s left are knives, cleavers, axes, chemicals, and so on. This happens often in China. The US endures many attacks but it isn’t because guns are available, but it’s due to the mental state of the attackers. Personally, I’d rather stop someone with a gun, than a knife.

Also, don’t prop your door open minutes before someone with guns comes by.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China

[mexi cali]

Hypothetically, laws are passed eliminating our ability to purchase hand guns.

So, no one can legally own a hand gun, right?

Then someone points out that crimes involving hand guns has not appreciably decreased.

Then what?

[Nedroj]

Hypothetically, laws are passed eliminating our ability to purchase hand guns.

So, no one can legally own a hand gun, right?

Then someone points out that crimes involving hand guns has not appreciably decreased.

Then what?

The RCMP just concluded that all of the firearms the Nova Scotia shooter used were illegally obtained from the USA and smuggled into Canada except for the Ruger which was illegally obtained within Canada. He was not allowed to be in possession of any firearms as he doesn't hold a PAL or RPAL.

This means none of the recent firearm bans and reclassification would do anything to prevent this horrible shooting from occurring again in the future. I feel for the victims and their families in all mass shootings but it is nearly impossible to stop from them happening, and any amount of laws and regulations will do nothing.

We saw a person kill 10 people and injure another 15 using a van right here in Canada.

We also saw a person kill 80 people using a moving Van in France where they have strict gun control laws.

Maybe we should start adopting conceal carry permits for highly qualified and trained individuals?

Look at this example of where a good person with a gun stopped a bad person with a gun. She wouldnt have been able to do that without a firearm.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHMHdGxvdu4&t=475s[/youtube]

[spooker]

Someone gets stabbed, they blame the stabber.
Someone gets blown up, they blame the bomber
Someone gets carjacked, they blame the carjacker.
Someone gets shot, they blame the gun!

Not quite ... they blame easy access to certain types of guns ...

In a similar reason people don't have access to missiles ... when weapons become "stand-off" it allows for the attacker to become that much more detached from the consequences ...

Bludgeons (i.e. bats etc) and knives are the best things to have access to ... the attacker has to get up and personal with the victim ... much more thought is required to use one which indirectly would also address the mental health issues people say are the cause of these events ...

[featfan]

Someone gets stabbed, they blame the stabber.
Someone gets blown up, they blame the bomber
Someone gets carjacked, they blame the carjacker.
Someone gets shot, they blame the gun!

Not quite ... they blame easy access to certain types of guns ...

In a similar reason people don't have access to missiles ... when weapons become "stand-off" it allows for the attacker to become that much more detached from the consequences ...

Bludgeons (i.e. bats etc) and knives are the best things to have access to ... the attacker has to get up and personal with the victim ... much more thought is required to use one which indirectly would also address the mental health issues people say are the cause of these events ...

Pretty sure I could buy an illegal gun in under a day in Kelowna.

[Glacier]

Not quite ... they blame easy access to certain types of guns ...

There is NO EASY access to legal handguns in Canada, and most homicides by gun are committed with handguns (as they are in the US). The government knows where every single legal handgun is in Canada at all times. They are locked up at all times except when used at a licensed gun range or when being cleaned. Handgun theft is extremely rare because almost all gun owners practice proper safety and storage procedures.

The government should be able to tell if a gun is legal or not in almost all instances because they know where all legal handguns are at all times. If they don't actually know how to keep track of this data, then wow, is this ever incompetence of the highest order.

[the truth]

Someone gets stabbed, they blame the stabber.
Someone gets blown up, they blame the bomber
Someone gets carjacked, they blame the carjacker.
Someone gets shot, they blame the gun!

great point,

[spooker]

Pretty sure I could buy an illegal gun in under a day in Kelowna.

And that would prove you're resourceful ... the majority of the population would try and do something like a Le Carre novel and get themselves honeypotted before acquiring something through illicit means ... but I feel your comment has more to do with sentiment towards American guns than what happens up here ...

Not quite ... they blame easy access to certain types of guns ...

There is NO EASY access to legal handguns in Canada, and most homicides by gun are committed with handguns (as they are in the US). The government knows where every single legal handgun is in Canada at all times. They are locked up at all times except when used at a licensed gun range or when being cleaned. Handgun theft is extremely rare because almost all gun owners practice proper safety and storage procedures.

The government should be able to tell if a gun is legal or not in almost all instances because they know where all legal handguns are at all times. If they don't actually know how to keep track of this data, then wow, is this ever incompetence of the highest order.

I thought people had issues with a gun registry so it got scrapped ... you're saying it should be brought back?

[Glacier]

I thought people had issues with a gun registry so it got scrapped ... you're saying it should be brought back?

It was never scrapped for handguns, AR-15s, or any other restricted firearms.