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YzzzR1 wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 9:34 am That still doesn't account for the choices of study one chooses. Maybe stats on the professions and remuneration of the chosen occupations between men and women. I'm still not convinced by what I've personally seen in my chosen professions.

Here, you must have missed this part and this most of this just after graduation (pre babies)....
While the research shows that women earn less than men across the board, the difference was more pronounced for some qualification levels.
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foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 7:48 am [
Sounds like more deflection, smoke and mirrors. Do the wealthy pay the SAME PERCENTAGE of tax as the middle class pay?
No, they pay way more than the middle class. Everyone knows this. Be better. Enough prevaricating.
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foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 8:53 am
Nedroj wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 7:49 am

This is about as true as the so-called "gender wage gap" that also doesn't exist.
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Here's an article based on StatsCan stats :biggrin: .....perhaps educate yourself better on the issue.

The Facts about the Gender Pay Gap

https://canadianwomen.org/the-facts/the-gender-pay-gap/

....and oh look from StatsCan......

Pay gap, 1998 to 2021
In 2021, female employees aged 25 to 54 earned $3.79 (11.1%) less per hour, on average, than their male counterparts. In other words, women in this age group earned $0.89 for every dollar earned by men.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/14- ... 03-eng.htm
Maybe if you actually looked into the details of the studies then you would know they are not comparing apples to apples.

*A Stewardess doesn't make as much money as a pilot.
A Nurse doesnt make as much money as a Doctor.
A Server doesnt make as much money as an Engineer.
A Sales Associate doesnt make as much money as a plumber, electrician or carpenter.

* - This was the main study completed in the UK that shows the gender wage gap existed> They took one of the major airlines in the UK and compared the Female employe's wages with the Male employe's wages. But did not take into account Positions, and years of service. Well what they found was that the majority of the female employees were Stewardess and the majority of the pilots were males. And since Pilots are paid significantly more than Stewardess (rightfully so) the pay gap isn't based on GENDER it is based on POSITION.

This doesnt mean there are no Female Pilots, Female Doctors or Female Engineers. Or male Servers, male Nurses and male Sales Associates. If you chose to go into a low-paying career then the only person to blame is yourself.

But your side likes to omit these important details.

In the StatsCAN article you linked:
The industrial distribution of female and male employees plays a key role in explaining this gap, particularly the over-representation of men in the more highly paid industries of construction, manufacturing, and mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction. Women’s higher rate of part-time work, which has lower average wages than full-time work, also contributed notably to the gender wage gap in 2021.
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foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 9:30 am
Oh like this then?......

Women earn less than men in Canada right after graduation — then it gets worse: report

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Nope. This is total crap.
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foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 9:46 am Here, you must have missed this part and this most of this just after graduation (pre babies)....
While the research shows that women earn less than men across the board, the difference was more pronounced for some qualification levels.
Exactly. Sadly, there are some Canadians who think equality in the workplace is total crap, which is just so disgusting.
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Nedroj wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 9:59 am
Maybe if you actually looked into the details of the studies then you would know they are not comparing apples to apples.
Here's what y'all are glossing over and just after graduation to boot........
While the research shows that women earn less than men across the board, the difference was more pronounced for some qualification levels.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6409280/earn ... men-women/
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foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 10:10 am
Nedroj wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 9:59 am
Maybe if you actually looked into the details of the studies then you would know they are not comparing apples to apples.
Here's what y'all are glossing over and just after graduation to boot........
While the research shows that women earn less than men across the board, the difference was more pronounced for some qualification levels.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6409280/earn ... men-women/
And here is what you are completely missing once again.......

From the report you linked:
The report looked at the annual earnings of men and women, rather than wages,
meaning hours worked were not taken into account
. The research tracked students of Canadian post-secondary schools, graduating from 11 different fields of study and from five different credential levels: college-level certificate, college-level diploma, bachelor’s degree, master’s degree and doctoral degree.
They didn't track HOURS worked???? So if a man worked 50 hours a week, 10 hours of OT more than a woman working the same job, with the same education, of course, he is going to earn more.

Also from the report you linked:
However, he noted there are some likely reasons for the overall discrepancies, such as women working fewer paid hours while taking the lead on parenting and other family responsibilities.
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The level of stupidity coming from the left people on this forum is absolutely astounding.
foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 10:10 am
Nedroj wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 9:59 am
Maybe if you actually looked into the details of the studies then you would know they are not comparing apples to apples.
Here's what y'all are glossing over and just after graduation to boot........
While the research shows that women earn less than men across the board, the difference was more pronounced for some qualification levels.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6409280/earn ... men-women/
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Nedroj wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 10:41 am The level of stupidity coming from the left people on this forum is absolutely astounding.
It's the lying combined with the mass stupidity that is just so amazing with these people. They couldn't tell the truth no matter what.
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foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 8:58 am I certainly don't expect the ultra wealthy pay the same tax rate as us peons but even increasing their tax 1% would certainly increase the revenue for Canada.
Yes, and an increase to personal taxes of 1% would also certainly increase the revenue for Canada. Whats your point?
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Nedroj wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 10:41 am The level of stupidity coming from the left people on this forum is absolutely astounding.
foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 10:10 am

Here's what y'all are glossing over and just after graduation to boot........

https://globalnews.ca/news/6409280/earn ... men-women/
The lack of reading comprehension from the right is astounding....
. The report looked at annual earnings of men and women, rather than wages, meaning hours worked were not taken into account. The research tracked students of Canadian post-secondary schools, graduating from 11 different fields of study and from five different credential levels: college-level certificate, college-level diploma, bachelor’s degree, master’s degree and doctoral degree......

While the research shows that women earn less than men across the board, the difference was more pronounced for some qualification levels.
....across the board in every category....apples to apples comparison.....not oranges.
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What is the gender pay gap and is it real?
The presence of alternative ways to measure the gap can create a misconception that data on the gender wage gap are unreliable. However, the data on the gender wage gap are remarkably clear and (unfortunately) consistent about the scale of the gap. In simple terms, no matter how you measure it, there is a gap. And, different gaps answer different questions. By discussing the data and the rationale behind these seemingly contradictory measures of the wage gap, we hope to improve the discourse around the gender wage gap...........

The most common analytical mistake people make when discussing the gender wage gap is to assume that as long as it is measured “correctly,” it will tell us precisely how much gender-based discrimination affects what women are paid.

Specifically, some people note that the commonly cited measures of the gender wage gap do not control for workers’ demographic characteristics (such measures are often labeled unadjusted). They speculate that the “unadjusted” gender wage gap could simply be reflecting other influences, such as levels of education, labor market experiences, and occupations. And because gender wage gaps that are “adjusted” for workers’ characteristics (through multivariate regression) are often smaller than unadjusted measures, people commonly infer that gender discrimination is a smaller problem in the American economy than thought.

However, the adjusted gender wage gap really only narrows the analysis to the potential role of gender discrimination along one dimension: to differential pay for equivalent work. But this simple adjustment misses all of the potential differences in opportunities for men and women that affect and constrain the choices they make before they ever bargain with an employer over a wage. While multivariate regression can be used to distill the role of discrimination in the narrowest sense, it cannot capture how discrimination affects differences in opportunity.
https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is ... s-it-real/

I forgot to add this part......
What is the gender wage gap?

The gender wage gap is a measure of what women are paid relative to men. It is commonly calculated by dividing women’s wages by men’s wages, and this ratio is often expressed as a percent, or in dollar terms. This tells us how much a woman is paid for each dollar paid to a man. This gender pay ratio is often measured for year-round, full-time workers and compares the annual wages (of hourly wage and salaried workers) of the median (“typical”) man with that of the median (“typical”) woman; measured this way, the current gender pay ratio is 0.796, or, expressed as a percent, it is 79.6 percent (U.S. Census Bureau 2016). In other words, for every dollar a man makes, a woman makes about 80 cents.

The difference in earnings between men and women is also sometimes described in terms of how much less women make than men. To calculate this gap from the ratio as defined above, simply subtract the ratio from 1. So, if the gender pay ratio is about 80 percent (or 80 cents on the dollar), this means that women are paid 20 percent less (or 20 cents less per dollar) than men. A larger difference between men’s and women’s earnings translates into a lower ratio but a larger gap in their earnings.

We keep with this convention of using median wages of wage and salary workers rather than average wages of wage and salary workers because averages can be skewed by a handful of people making much more or much less than the rest of workers in a sample. However, we examine median wages on an hourly basis and include all workers reporting a positive number of work hours. This hourly measure constitutes a limited “adjustment” in research methodology in that it accounts for the fact that men work more hours on average during the year, and that more women work part time. 5 This limited adjustment allows us to compare women’s and men’s wages without assuming that women, who still shoulder a disproportionate amount of responsibilities at home, would be able or willing to work as many hours as their male counterparts.
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The gender pay gap is a myth, perpetuated by half wits continually seeking victims to feed into their brain dead meat grinder.
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foenix wrote: Jun 16th, 2022, 11:29 am What is the gender pay gap and is it real?
The presence of alternative ways to measure the gap can create a misconception that data on the gender wage gap are unreliable. However, the data on the gender wage gap are remarkably clear and (unfortunately) consistent about the scale of the gap. In simple terms, no matter how you measure it, there is a gap. And, different gaps answer different questions. By discussing the data and the rationale behind these seemingly contradictory measures of the wage gap, we hope to improve the discourse around the gender wage gap...........

The most common analytical mistake people make when discussing the gender wage gap is to assume that as long as it is measured “correctly,” it will tell us precisely how much gender-based discrimination affects what women are paid.

Specifically, some people note that the commonly cited measures of the gender wage gap do not control for workers’ demographic characteristics (such measures are often labeled unadjusted). They speculate that the “unadjusted” gender wage gap could simply be reflecting other influences, such as levels of education, labor market experiences, and occupations. And because gender wage gaps that are “adjusted” for workers’ characteristics (through multivariate regression) are often smaller than unadjusted measures, people commonly infer that gender discrimination is a smaller problem in the American economy than thought.

However, the adjusted gender wage gap really only narrows the analysis to the potential role of gender discrimination along one dimension: to differential pay for equivalent work. But this simple adjustment misses all of the potential differences in opportunities for men and women that affect and constrain the choices they make before they ever bargain with an employer over a wage. While multivariate regression can be used to distill the role of discrimination in the narrowest sense, it cannot capture how discrimination affects differences in opportunity.
https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is ... s-it-real/

I forgot to add this part......
What is the gender wage gap?

The gender wage gap is a measure of what women are paid relative to men. It is commonly calculated by dividing women’s wages by men’s wages, and this ratio is often expressed as a percent, or in dollar terms. This tells us how much a woman is paid for each dollar paid to a man. This gender pay ratio is often measured for year-round, full-time workers and compares the annual wages (of hourly wage and salaried workers) of the median (“typical”) man with that of the median (“typical”) woman; measured this way, the current gender pay ratio is 0.796, or, expressed as a percent, it is 79.6 percent (U.S. Census Bureau 2016). In other words, for every dollar a man makes, a woman makes about 80 cents.

The difference in earnings between men and women is also sometimes described in terms of how much less women make than men. To calculate this gap from the ratio as defined above, simply subtract the ratio from 1. So, if the gender pay ratio is about 80 percent (or 80 cents on the dollar), this means that women are paid 20 percent less (or 20 cents less per dollar) than men. A larger difference between men’s and women’s earnings translates into a lower ratio but a larger gap in their earnings.

We keep with this convention of using median wages of wage and salary workers rather than average wages of wage and salary workers because averages can be skewed by a handful of people making much more or much less than the rest of workers in a sample. However, we examine median wages on an hourly basis and include all workers reporting a positive number of work hours. This hourly measure constitutes a limited “adjustment” in research methodology in that it accounts for the fact that men work more hours on average during the year, and that more women work part time. 5 This limited adjustment allows us to compare women’s and men’s wages without assuming that women, who still shoulder a disproportionate amount of responsibilities at home, would be able or willing to work as many hours as their male counterparts.
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No matter what our conviction or delusion is about the gender wage gap (which surely must have it's own thread somewhere, right?), the fact remains that some idiot MPs think it's funny that Canadians are suffering food insecurity.
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