The future of Alberta oil

[fluffy]

Western Canada seeks LNG, energy pledges in Liberals' Indo-Pacific strategy

The title says "Western Canada", but the rest of the article says "Alberta". For decades Alberta has placed all of its eggs in the energy basket despite steadily growing evidence in favour of backing down on fossil fuel production for energy. Will the ruling Liberals in Ottawa buckle under to efforts to increase oil output despite the need to reduce global emissions ? I fear this will be yet another instance of economic interests overruling environmental responsibility.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/41 ... c-strategy

[The Green Barbarian]

The title says "Western Canada", but the rest of the article says "Alberta". For decades Alberta has placed all of its eggs in the energy basket despite steadily growing evidence in favour of backing down on fossil fuel production for energy.

You lost me at this point. Entire point lost due to it relying on some sort of conspiracy theory to be believed. Next.

[d0nb]

Last November, Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly unveiled the government's approach to the Indo-Pacific, which calls for deeper economic and cultural links with countries that can counterbalance China's growing influence.

In the hands of Mélanie Joly, what could go wrong?

this is a region of the world where protectionist and anarchic tendencies are on the rise,"

Exactly.

Canada shouldn’t seek to balance past mistakes with new ones. It’s shameful that we have surrendered the capacity to produce most of our own pharmaceuticals, clothing, telecom and defense needs. This country should strive to become much less dependent on selling energy and raw materials to potential adversaries in exchange for their value-added goods. Continuing to do that won't help to make the world a safer place.

[nucksRnum1]

The future all depends on the current party in power. If they play nice and stop their political shenanigans attacking our justice system - they may be fortunate to work with the federal party in power to make the future bright.

[mikest2]

The future all depends on the current party in power. If they play nice and stop their political shenanigans attacking our justice system - they may be fortunate to work with the federal party in power to make the future bright.

Political shenanigans ?

[The Green Barbarian]

The future all depends on the current party in power.

If that means the Conservatives, then I totally agree.

[Babba_not_Gump]

All the feds need to do is let the west sell their petroleum products.
Why do they need to be ashats and put so many restrictions on, costly restrictions that have little to do with the environment and do nothing but delay, delay, delay. Driving up costs.

Let the west sell and the rest of Canada benefits. Do you hear that Quebec?

[fluffy]

Except that it's a dirty product. The producers are looking at short term gains over all else. The need to reduce global emissions has never been more evident than it is now and yet production continues to grow with forecasts saying that trend is to continue. It's not us, Canada produces far more than enough to meet our domestic needs, but exports to anyone who will buy without a thought to the downstream emissions.

[The Green Barbarian]

Except that it's a dirty product.

Except that it's not, and this is disinformation.

[dirtybiker]

Except that it's a dirty product.

Except that it's not, and this is disinformation.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Except that it's a dirty product. The producers are looking at short term gains over all else. The need to reduce global emissions has never been more evident than it is now and yet production continues to grow with forecasts saying that trend is to continue. It's not us, Canada produces far more than enough to meet our domestic needs, but exports to anyone who will buy without a thought to the downstream emissions.

Then what do you suggest be done about oil and gas extraction in Canada? Do you want to see it slowly eliminated and exports stopped?
Do you realize that oil and gas extracted in Canada is done under some of the toughest environmental conditions on Earth?

Demand will not lessen for decades. In the meantime petroleum products will be needed. Who should produce those products? Are you content to shut down Canada's production and watch Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, Iran and others produce and seriously contaminate the environment?
Have you heard the term "blood oil"?

Yes, oil is dirty. How about the chemical industry, thousands of deadly chemicals produced?
How about the mining industry? Run-off from pollutants, huge holes in the ground?
How about the travel industry? They need oil, but how about everyone stop flying and cruising? Shut em down?

You're picking on Canada's oil industry but ignoring the rest of the world.

[fluffy]

Then what do you suggest be done about oil and gas extraction in Canada? Do you want to see it slowly eliminated and exports stopped?

That could be the ultimate goal as far as oil extraction for energy use, it is the emissions from burning the stuff that are cause for concern, but realistically that is still decades away. More to the point of this thread though is that there is a need to REDUCE the burning of fossil fuels for energy and Canada's output as been on the increase for decades, and if the producers get their way those increases will continue for decades to come. The oil companies (and the current Alberta government) will talk the talk about environmental responsibility but it's all just so much window dressing.

The simple fact is that we cannot continue burning oil the way we have been without our climate problems getting worse.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Then what do you suggest be done about oil and gas extraction in Canada? Do you want to see it slowly eliminated and exports stopped?

That could be the ultimate goal as far as oil extraction for energy use, it is the emissions from burning the stuff that are cause for concern, but realistically that is still decades away. More to the point of this thread though is that there is a need to REDUCE the burning of fossil fuels for energy and Canada's output as been on the increase for decades, and if the producers get their way those increases will continue for decades to come. The oil companies (and the current Alberta government) will talk the talk about environmental responsibility but it's all just so much window dressing.

The simple fact is that we cannot continue burning oil the way we have been without our climate problems getting worse.

Canada's environmental laws far exceed most other oil producing countries, so we do no one favors by shutting down our industry in order to benefit others with weaker laws.

You may think our industry is simply talking the talk, but that's not the case. Those media outlets with a hate for oil will tell you that.
And you want the laws toughened up even more? That could price our oil out of the world market and put undue economic pressure on Canadians using this oil.

Canada needs to put more of its oil on the world market and continue this until demand lessens.

It's not the oil producers that should be targeted. It's the users.
If less oil is used then less oil is produced.
So let the Canadian producers produce.

[GordonH]

Here is the thing, as long as have provinces do well selling their resources internationally. Then those so called have not provinces benefit from large Equalization transfer payments. Usually biggest benefactor is Quebec followed by Ontario.

[Glacier]

Then what do you suggest be done about oil and gas extraction in Canada? Do you want to see it slowly eliminated and exports stopped?
Do you realize that oil and gas extracted in Canada is done under some of the toughest environmental conditions on Earth?

Fluffy wants Canada to reduce oil production such that we don't have enough oil to run our refineries, and thus we will have to import refined diesel and gas from the US and China. he thinks Canada can live without exports and not get poorer relative to other nations.