The future of Alberta oil

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The people that agree with me prefer to have a reliable heat source , transportation and food on the table .
Funny how that works
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Just think of all the well paid jobs and resultant taxes that will stimulate the economy and put food on the table of Canadian households. I LOVE ALBERTA OIL

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fluffy wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 6:24 am I listened to her on a CBC Radio talk show yesterday, and she makes mildly convincing arguments in favor of growth in Alberta's oil & gas sector, but only convincing if you're willing to ignore the environmental downside. My question remains, is the risk to our collective future worth the short term profit ?
Everything has an 'environmental impact'. Solar panels and turbines also have an enormous environmental impact. Canadian O&G has LESS of an impact than that sourced from elsewhere. Demand for oil is still increasing and will for decades to come. It makes sense for the most responsible countries, like Canada, to have a larger slice of the pie. Canada would be vastly more prosperous and clean without the Liberals/NDP at the helm.
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fluffy wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 6:24 am I listened to her on a CBC Radio talk show yesterday, and she makes mildly convincing arguments in favor of growth in Alberta's oil & gas sector, but only convincing if you're willing to ignore the environmental downside. My question remains, is the risk to our collective future worth the short term profit ?
No.

All along that's simply been the 'Alberta Advantage.'
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fluffy wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 6:35 am
George Orwell 1984 wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 6:30 am Yes
There's a lot of people who agree with you, and that's kind of scary.
History has shown us that all great civilizations eventually come to an end, and it is probably worth noting that the one thing they have all had in common is a head in the sand, business as usual and nothing to see here attitude right up to the time of their demise. The costs of climate change are already here and they will bring down the western nation economies long before the actual change in climate does. Sadly, this is not the only threat we are ignoring and the impending collapse is going to occur on a global scale. In the game of monopoly there is only one winner but in the game underway no one is going to win. May as well retire on a beach.
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steven lloyd wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 8:34 am
fluffy wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 6:35 am
There's a lot of people who agree with you, and that's kind of scary.
History has shown us that all great civilizations eventually come to an end, and it is probably worth noting that the one thing they have all had in common is a head in the sand, business as usual and nothing to see here attitude right up to the time of their demise. The costs of climate change are already here and they will bring down the western nation economies long before the actual change in climate does. Sadly, this is not the only threat we are ignoring and the impending collapse is going to occur on a global scale. In the game of monopoly there is only one winner but in the game underway no one is going to win. May as well retire on a beach.

And apparently there's a process to help us with that.

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steven lloyd wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 8:34 am
fluffy wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 6:35 am
There's a lot of people who agree with you, and that's kind of scary.
History has shown us that all great civilizations eventually come to an end, and it is probably worth noting that the one thing they have all had in common is a head in the sand, business as usual and nothing to see here attitude right up to the time of their demise. The costs of climate change are already here and they will bring down the western nation economies long before the actual change in climate does. Sadly, this is not the only threat we are ignoring and the impending collapse is going to occur on a global scale. In the game of monopoly there is only one winner but in the game underway no one is going to win. May as well retire on a beach.
So why are you ignoring the threat of jt and jagmeet working hard to destroy Canada . Why is the liberal party not working to develop viable solutions rather than pie in the sky fairy tales while shipping millions of
Tons of coal daily to their favourite partners- China , that opens new coal fired plants twice weekly . Virtue signalling saves the world ……… right ? Only in a liberal mind !
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 8:45 am
steven lloyd wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 8:34 am

History has shown us that all great civilizations eventually come to an end, and it is probably worth noting that the one thing they have all had in common is a head in the sand, business as usual and nothing to see here attitude right up to the time of their demise. The costs of climate change are already here and they will bring down the western nation economies long before the actual change in climate does. Sadly, this is not the only threat we are ignoring and the impending collapse is going to occur on a global scale. In the game of monopoly there is only one winner but in the game underway no one is going to win. May as well retire on a beach.
So why are you ignoring the threat of jt and jagmeet working hard to destroy Canada . Why is the liberal party not working to develop viable solutions rather than pie in the sky fairy tales while shipping millions of
Tons of coal daily to their favourite partners- China , that opens new coal fired plants twice weekly . Virtue signalling saves the world ……… right ? Only in a liberal mind !
'Cause we're busy trying to complete the TMX. :up:
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 8:45 am
steven lloyd wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 8:34 am History has shown us that all great civilizations eventually come to an end, and it is probably worth noting that the one thing they have all had in common is a head in the sand, business as usual and nothing to see here attitude right up to the time of their demise. The costs of climate change are already here and they will bring down the western nation economies long before the actual change in climate does. Sadly, this is not the only threat we are ignoring and the impending collapse is going to occur on a global scale. In the game of monopoly there is only one winner but in the game underway no one is going to win. May as well retire on a beach.
So why are you ignoring the threat of jt and jagmeet working hard to destroy Canada .
:135: Why are you making that assumption? Is this another deflection? As stated, we are faced with many threats. Jagmeet and JT's days are numbered but there is nothing waiting in the wings that is going to change the path we are on.
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It’s not an assumption, we see it every day . We see every well that jt and Jimmy dhaliwall touch has been poisoned . The last two weeks being prime examples . Do you ever stop and wonder why jt is laughed at ? Do you stop and wonder why he doesn’t have sit down meetings with other world leaders ? Climate change ? The world leaders nod their heads and carry on laughing. Don’t drink the koolaid !
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 2:52 pm It’s not an assumption, ...
Actually, presuming I'm ignoring the threat (your statement) is, in fact exactly an assumption.
George Orwell 1984 wrote: Sep 21st, 2023, 2:52 pm Do you ever stop and wonder why jt is laughed at ?
Nope.
Do you stop and wonder why he doesn’t have sit down meetings with other world leaders ?
Nope.

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The economy is a legitimate concern, but to put the short term health of that economy at odds with the long terms sustainability of a viable environment is the mistake we are making right now. We can already see the effects of climate change right here at home with drought and water shortages, not to mention extreme weather events. To suggest that these issues are not a result of fifty years of head-in-the-sand environmental policy is so far past stupid that the light from stupid won't get there for ten million years.
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fluffy wrote: Sep 22nd, 2023, 4:48 am The economy is a legitimate concern, but to put the short term health of that economy at odds with the long terms sustainability of a viable environment is the mistake we are making right now.
And a mistake I don't see us rectifying in any meaningful way before it is far too late. The costs of extreme weather events are already beyond what western nations can continue to pay and conservative neoliberal thinking can be counted on to fail even when provided with hindsight. The impacts of climate change are already posed to bankrupt countries and already unimaginable debt levels are going to grow exponentially. However, with growing social division and polarized politics, a growing income gap and growing global instability I don't think it will be the change in climate that destroys our civilizations. I'm just going to watch from a beach ...

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Ft. MacMurray's favorite beach so they can retire with you.

Also, the beach where the less fortunate downstream can retire and go fishing. :up: [icon_lol2.gif]

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fluffy wrote: Sep 22nd, 2023, 4:48 am The economy is a legitimate concern, but to put the short term health of that economy at odds with the long terms sustainability of a viable environment is the mistake we are making right now. We can already see the effects of climate change right here at home with drought and water shortages, not to mention extreme weather events. To suggest that these issues are not a result of fifty years of head-in-the-sand environmental policy is so far past stupid that the light from stupid won't get there for ten million years.
AGAIN

If Canada is 1.5% of Global Emissions, what difference can the country make ?


Let's do some math.

For fun because we are adults who can count and use a calculator.


Canada's Total Megatonnes of Carbon Dioxide Equivalent runs about 700 per year.

For arguments sake, Canada's entire Energy Sector was closed tomorrow.

Our energy sector accounts for approximately 200 Megatonnes of CO2eq per year.


By shuttering the entire Canadian Energy sector, Canada can reduce its emissions by 28.6%.

Sounds incredible.


Now, translate that back to a GLOBAL SCALE.

Knowing that Canada is responsible for 1.5% of GLOBAL emissions, by shuttering our Energy Sector we could reduce GLOBAL emissions by 0.4% to a total of 1.1%.


Say it with me: From 1.5% to 1.1%



Let me be clear, Mr Speaker.

The Liberal Klimate $cience Zealots wish to close down the energy sector in effort to reduce Global Emissions by 0.4%.

With that said, none of them have any idea what Canada would look like without its Energy Sector.


All the goods and services they have come to expect, make that demand, would suffer:
- Healthcare
- Education
- Pensions
- Govt

On top of that toxic cake, the country's trade balance would implode.

Canada's credit rating would be downgraded.

The $2.1 Trillion National Debt would become almost twice as expensive.

For those who don't care about Govt spending and the hole they've dug using Liberal $cience, the interest on debt is currently 10% of total tax collected.

Remove all Energy-associated tax payments and Canada suffers credit downgrade, you're then looking at 25-35% of all Canada's remaining tax going to the interest owed on National Debt.

Think about that for a moment. For every $3 of tax collected, $1 would be required to pay interest on National Debt. THINK about it.


Eventually Canada defaults on its payments to foreign bond owners.......

Canada becomes the next Venezuela.

We are on that path right now.


Liberal voters are no different than Will Ferrell playing with a tranq gun.

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