Should Canada have conscription?

[Catsumi]

I will reiterate that conscription isn’t a bad thing if it was to defend our own land.

I'd be thinking conscription would be implemented if Canada itself was attacked.

By then, it’d be much too late to find, train, equip and get them up and running, yes? By the time that feat was accomplished, the citizens must be able to converse in Chinese or Russian. Too late.

If another NATO country was attacked and by NATO's standards all NATO countries are attacked and countries are supposed to come to their aid, Canada included. How about another UN sanctioned intervention like Korea or Kosovo, Afghanistan?
Smaller interventions, I suspect volunteer sign up is sufficient.

Now, national service, where every young person 18-22 is expected to put in 2 years service in a branch of the armed forces is a great idea. Exemptions though? Likely no shortage of twinkies that will try to cop out.

Yes, and thank you, the system name I was reaching for was National Service. You nailed down exactly what I intended but aged brain cells couldn’t recall the proper scheme.

Exemptions? Like, right now, who cares how few or how many might slip through service to country? Were they worth their salt at the start, in any case? IMO, nothing but Deadwood. Leave them be as shame eventually catches up to them.

The point is that it IS possible to have emergency-ready folks for all trials and tribulations, from fires, invasions, floods, war, fires and so on. We needn’t be starting from zero and then having to depend upon foreigners to save our skins from internal tragedies.

[my5cents]

If every single fighting aged Canadian was fully trained this moment, and we were invaded, better get out your Russian / English or Chinese / English dictionary.

We don't have any military weapons. What few aircraft and ships we have, could just as well be in a museum. But we have lots on order and we did buy some used planes from Australia. The ones we have are as much as 40 years old ? How many out there are driving 1982 vintage vehicles ?

You do recall JT was just stranded in India because his plane wasn't serviceable. I especially like the part where a technician flew commercial with the part to fix the plane. What !!!! ?????

Yes, I'm sure they are maintained. You’re going on a long trip (not even fighting a war) would you pick a "well maintained 1982 vehicle" or a "2020'ish vehicle" ?

Now, what are the chances of asking the invaders to wait until we get delivery of our new planes, and build a few dozen ships.

I don't think that's how invasions work.

Old JT will just call the US for help,,, well as long as Trump isn't in office, don't trust him as far as I can throw him.

[teamster]

If every single fighting aged Canadian was fully trained this moment, and we were invaded, better get out your Russian / English or Chinese / English dictionary.

We don't have any military weapons. What few aircraft and ships we have, could just as well be in a museum. But we have lots on order and we did buy some used planes from Australia. The ones we have are as much as 40 years old ? How many out there are driving 1982 vintage vehicles ?

You do recall JT was just stranded in India because his plane wasn't serviceable. I especially like the part where a technician flew commercial with the part to fix the plane. What !!!! ?????

Yes, I'm sure they are maintained. You’re going on a long trip (not even fighting a war) would you pick a "well maintained 1982 vehicle" or a "2020'ish vehicle" ?

Now, what are the chances of asking the invaders to wait until we get delivery of our new planes, and build a few dozen ships.

I don't think that's how invasions work.

Old JT will just call the US for help,,, well as long as Trump isn't in office, don't trust him as far as I can throw him.

Even if the logistics of the size and climate didnt make it not next to impossible for a land invasion, or you ignored the impossibility of an army moving the necessary force undetected across the pacific or Atlantic. You should be reminded how sensitive the US is to even having Latin American countries having democracy, let alone an actual threat. The US would never allow it. Any military unit you send to Canada is one you shouldn't expect to return home.

Now if you want to argue is it wise to leave national defense to another nation, that's another debate. But as it stands now, China would get smacked around, and Russia wouldn't make it out of the Harbour.

[my5cents]

Even if the logistics of the size and climate didnt make it not next to impossible for a land invasion, or you ignored the impossibility of an army moving the necessary force undetected across the pacific or Atlantic. You should be reminded how sensitive the US is to even having Latin American countries having democracy, let alone an actual threat. The US would never allow it. Any military unit you send to Canada is one you shouldn't expect to return home.

Now if you want to argue is it wise to leave national defense to another nation, that's another debate. But as it stands now, China would get smacked around, and Russia wouldn't make it out of the Harbour.

Atlantic ? Pacific ? How about the Artic Ocean ? Murmansk to Churchill Manitoba, 4,200 miles.

Yes, the US “would never let it happen”. No US president would ever restrict 3M from providing Canada with surgical mask in the time of a pandemic, until it happened.

Haven't we, or rather shouldn't we have learned that we need to be able to fend for ourselves ? At least somewhat.

We have an moron running our country who can't even fly to a meeting on a military plane without it breaking down, in the house of commons his government introduces a Ukrainian immigrant who was a nazi in the second world war as a war hero, with the president of Ukraine in attendance. All while Russia has been claiming that Ukrainians are closet Nazis. Great work Canada !

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OK, off topic but I had to say something..... When I input this post I typed "We have a m o r o n running our country". Castanet automatically changed this to "We have a idiot running our country". Apparently an idiot is dumber than a m o r o n. Maybe Castanet knows something I don't.

??? What's the big deal ?? So I queries the difference and I got an answer, but the IRONIC part is the opinion poll below the article. It's a sign ! Yup, you look up "idiot" and there's a picture of JT.

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[Catsumi]

^^^^^

Snort. Chuckle.

[Thinktank]

I'd be thinking conscription would be implemented if Canada itself was attacked.

Good thinking. Many countries might have attacked us.

Yugoslavia might attack Canada. You can't trust Slobodan Milošević.
Iraq might attack Canada.
Libya might attack Canada. For our oil.
Vietnam might attack Canada.
Yemen might attack Canada.
Afghanistan might attack Canada.

War pigs tell us Russia might attack Canada, right after they get the village next to Bakhmut that they've
been trying for two years to get. War pigs tell us spending $9 billion on dead Ukrainians is a good investment
because Russia might attack us some day.

And Iran is the next country that might attack us.

We might even see the day when N Korea decides they might like to have attacked us if we didn't attack them first.



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[Thinktank]

Great News everyone

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced the changing of the military training system for 2024, ... there would be an increase in the number of professional servicemen by 100,000, to be achieved by better pay, with all military personnel to be guaranteed at least three times the minimum wage, and better housing provision.

Zelensky is paying all those Ukrainian casualties minimum wage - $250/ month but promised to raise their pay to $750/ month in 2024 - when the war is over.


Where will he get all that money - $9,000/ year to pay all those soldiers in 2024 when the country is bankrupt?
From us of course. Or he is gambling that 200,000 will be dead, and he'll take the money from the dead ones to pay the new guys.

Does Canada also pay people in the army three times minimum wage? Anyone know?




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[Pitapants]

Great News everyone

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced the changing of the military training system for 2024, ... there would be an increase in the number of professional servicemen by 100,000, to be achieved by better pay, with all military personnel to be guaranteed at least three times the minimum wage, and better housing provision.

Zelensky is paying all those Ukrainian casualties minimum wage - $250/ month but promised to raise their pay to $750/ month in 2024 - when the war is over.


Where will he get all that money - $9,000/ year to pay all those soldiers in 2024 when the country is bankrupt?
From us of course. Or he is gambling that 200,000 will be dead, and he'll take the money from the dead ones to pay the new guys.

Does Canada also pay people in the army three times minimum wage? Anyone know?

Actually, pay in the military isn't bad but it involves hard work. Not too many eligible people out there enjoy that.
Another issue is immigration. These people want their kids to be doctors, lawyers, etc.

[GordonH]

Knowing their are large numbers of totally undisciplined people in Canada, military boot camp probably wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing at all.

[mikest2]

Great News everyone

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced the changing of the military training system for 2024, ... there would be an increase in the number of professional servicemen by 100,000, to be achieved by better pay, with all military personnel to be guaranteed at least three times the minimum wage, and better housing provision.

Zelensky is paying all those Ukrainian casualties minimum wage - $250/ month but promised to raise their pay to $750/ month in 2024 - when the war is over.


Where will he get all that money - $9,000/ year to pay all those soldiers in 2024 when the country is bankrupt?
From us of course. Or he is gambling that 200,000 will be dead, and he'll take the money from the dead ones to pay the new guys.

Does Canada also pay people in the army three times minimum wage? Anyone know?


https://www.canada.ca/en/department-nat ... egforce231

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[Pitapants]

Knowing their are large numbers of totally undisciplined people in Canada, military boot camp probably wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing at all.

yeah, lets turn these people into a disiplined mob that knows how to fight and use weapons

why does everyone want the military to take the roles that the parents failed at? Will taking gang members and put them through a military training camp make any difference? These people are not afraid of any punishment that could be given and by late teens it is much too late to make any impact on them.

[GordonH]

Knowing their are large numbers of totally undisciplined people in Canada, military boot camp probably wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing at all.

yeah, lets turn these people into a disiplined mob that knows how to fight and use weapons

why does everyone want the military to take the roles that the parents failed at? Will taking gang members and put them through a military training camp make any difference? These people are not afraid of any punishment that could be given and by late teens it is much too late to make any impact on them.

Quick way to send them overseas to fight all they want, won’t be fighting and shooting each other on our streets. Since courts clearly don’t want them behind bars.

Just think about it.

[Pitapants]

yeah, lets turn these people into a disiplined mob that knows how to fight and use weapons

why does everyone want the military to take the roles that the parents failed at? Will taking gang members and put them through a military training camp make any difference? These people are not afraid of any punishment that could be given and by late teens it is much too late to make any impact on them.

Quick way to send them overseas to fight all they want, won’t be fighting and shooting each other on our streets. Since courts clearly don’t want them behind bars.

Just think about it.

I thought about it and it's stupid.
Why go through the trouble and expense of training and arming them, just kill them now. You aren't giving them the chance of a trial or anything so line them up and fit them for a noose.
Too bad there is no personality test when still in the womb so they can be weeded out through abortion. Or a gene test for couples so they can be sterilized.

[GordonH]

Quick way to send them overseas to fight all they want, won’t be fighting and shooting each other on our streets. Since courts clearly don’t want them behind bars.

Just think about it.

I thought about it and it's stupid.
Why go through the trouble and expense of training and arming them, just kill them now. You aren't giving them the chance of a trial or anything so line them up and fit them for a noose.
Too bad there is no personality test when still in the womb so they can be weeded out through abortion. Or a gene test for couples so they can be sterilized.

Have you noticed the judges in this country don’t give a damn what illegal activities they have done, btw Canada doesn’t hang anyone.
How much time has the guy who used The Grand as shooting gallery and took out Bacon.

[Thinktank]

Quick way to send them overseas ...

just kill them now.

But then who would get the $750,000 per dead person? I think Melanie Joly supports any Canadian
dying in Ukraine because she knows it's good for the economy.

But wait - Canada's Commander in Chief is the Governor General? So whoever the hell that is
has the right to send Canadians to go die in Ukraine any time they feel like it?

Wow. I AM FORCING YOU TO GO DIE FOR DEMOCRACY.