The Canada Future Party: Will it be a threat?

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hobbyguy wrote: Jan 7th, 2024, 10:57 am
liisgo wrote: Jan 5th, 2024, 3:27 pm
Think you missed the sarcasmism in the post.
But really, not even the most emotionally attached and needy liberalist can lower themselves far enough to still support their party that has done more damage, failed more miserably and caught in so many investigations and ethic scandals in history. So, another party of choice would be welcoming to them.
The reliance on sarcastic nonsense as destructive criticism is a key problem with the CPC.

If you haven't figured it out yet, there are many who would like a realistic and fact based alternative to the nonsense that pervades in the PP CPC excuse for opposition that has nothing to recommend it as an alternative. The PP CPC is such a poor alternative for thinking folks that the CFP does indeed have an opportunity to provide a sensible governance (as opposed to political "points" gaming nonsense) opposition that could actually provide good governance.

So is the CFP a serious effort? Yes, it appears so. The CFP have gathered the necessary prerequisites (including sufficient membership) for registration as an official party with Elections Canada. The CFP have plans afoot to run candidates in upcoming bye elections. When they do that, they will then qualify for tax deductible donations to build the party.

Like it or not, what could be a political party in a mode that would suit the likes of former PMs Diefenbaker, Clark and Campbell as a political home is afoot.
So, as anyone can clearly see, CPC is offering far more structured alternatives to the current proven failure of every single one offered by the liberalist movement over the last 8 yrs. Could you be the first to actually provide justification to all the current failures in this country or is nothing left but cheap tactics. In all fairness, recently a comment was made that trudeau cares and supports small business, but according to the head of the Canadian small business association of canada, over 18% of small businesses have failed in the last year. And their own website states clearly that the current federal government is the cause.
So is lying to support a political party all thats left for the woke left politic's.
And really, any alternative is better than a failure.
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Maxime Bernier Party is definitely not getting any publicity, I suspect his platform is probably well received by many Canadians.
It’s possible he could come out of the next election as dark horse nobody expected.
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hobbyguy wrote: Jan 5th, 2024, 12:01 pm https://mailchi.mp/22894c1afbeb/we-dese ... 04969bd08a

The Canada Future Party seems to be serious about being a force in the next election. The kind of thoughtful analysis and vision for Canada laid out in that email is the sort of thing that will appeal across a wide range of political outlooks.
Oh come now hg, I hope you don't believe this.
But hey, the Green Party is just as serious about being a force in the next election. (That was hard to type with a straight face.)
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Is the Canada Future Party up to four members yet?
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Jan 7th, 2024, 4:54 pm Is the Canada Future Party up to four members yet?
They're working on recruiting disenfranchised Rhino Party members.
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Jan 7th, 2024, 4:54 pm Is the Canada Future Party up to four members yet?
Let's hope whomever they draw it's all from the Liberals and Greens.
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Babba_not_Gump wrote: Jan 7th, 2024, 4:44 pm
hobbyguy wrote: Jan 5th, 2024, 12:01 pm https://mailchi.mp/22894c1afbeb/we-dese ... 04969bd08a

The Canada Future Party seems to be serious about being a force in the next election. The kind of thoughtful analysis and vision for Canada laid out in that email is the sort of thing that will appeal across a wide range of political outlooks.
Oh come now hg, I hope you don't believe this.
But hey, the Green Party is just as serious about being a force in the next election. (That was hard to type with a straight face.)
It will indeed be difficult for a new party to succeed. In part because of the way our democratic systems are structured.

That said, the PPC has been successful in shifting political conversations and garnering significant support, so much so that the PP CPC (as opposed to the O'Toole CPC) has spent considerable time and effort attacking them, usurping their policy positions and moving far to the right of where the O'Toole CPC was.

The Green party has and does suffer from actually being a single issue advocacy. Such single issue advocacy parties rarely succeed, and the case of the Greens the radicalism within the party has made party management and leadership a joke.

The move of CPC into the current PP CPC iteration has been a hard right shift that has left a bad taste in many mouths. That shift, which has been somewhat successful in attacking the PPC, has abandoned many center right moderates, the sort that would vote for a Joe Clark or John Diefenbaker. That has left what many seem to think is a considerable political opening - and that is what the CFP seeks to fill.

It may well be that from the perspective of the heartland of the Reform party (Alberta/Sask) the CFP will be stillborn. Not so in BC, Atlantic Canada, and Ontario where the diehard hard right is less prevalent. Those are the regions where I think the CFP can gain traction - with long-shot possibilities in urban Edmonton and urban Calgary.

So I would not discount the CFP before they get rolling. Even if they primarily shift the conversation, it would benefit Canada. A credible CFP showing would drag the Liberals to the right some, and drag the CPC to the left some provided PP ain't the leader.

The CFP doesn't have to win many seats to be effective.
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hobbyguy wrote: Jan 8th, 2024, 3:31 pm
The move of CPC into the current PP CPC iteration has been a hard right shift that has left a bad taste in many mouths. That shift, which has been somewhat successful in attacking the PPC, has abandoned many center right moderates, the sort that would vote for a Joe Clark or John Diefenbaker. That has left what many seem to think is a considerable political opening - and that is what the CFP seeks to fill.
Aside from the rhetoric coming from the far left nutters; please explain the new CPC policy positions that support your assertion that the PP iteration of the CPC "has been a hard right shift" from the O'Toole iteration of the CPC.
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IMO .. This Canada Future Party is a puppet party supported by Turnip to split the Conservative vote . And like the closet liberal Bernier and his asshat PPC , as much as I "wish you luck" , please be aware it's with my middle finger raised in the "Trudeau Salute" ........
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