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[Woodenhead]

No surprise you don't make the effort. Most of the politically violent nutjobs are from the Left, and that is not hard to prove.
*link to a right-wing/conservative blog*

Looks like you made as much effort as I did. (or your definition differs from mine) Here's the first 2 links I found. It's all the "google-proof-warring" I'm going to do on this, since it's my belief that Jared Loughner is simply insane & didn't do what he did for purely political [rhetoric] reasons, and this is therefore off-topic. Funny how up in arms some people get at an offhand comment. Quite telling, really.

Are left-wing domestic terrorists still active?
~ The FBI says that anarchist and socialist groups with an anticapitalist and antiimperialist stance have diminished over the last several years and pose less of a threat than in the past. Left-wing terrorism is “a latent but potential terrorist threat.” Left-wing extremists caused much of the damage at the 1999 World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle.

Are right-wing domestic terrorists still active?
~ Yes. Attacks by left-wing or special-interest groups were the most common until the 1990s, when right-wing terrorists began staging more attacks aimed at civilians. The FBI says that the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by far-right extremists who feared increased UN involvement in domestic policies, opposed stricter gun-control laws, and were enraged by “several confrontations between members of right-wing groups and law enforcement officers at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho.” A right-wing extremist, Eric Robert Rudolph, was also responsible for the 1996 Olympics bombing in Atlanta that killed two and injured more than one hundred.

Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment
DHS/I&A assesses that a number of economic and political factors are
driving a resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization activity.
Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone wolves and small
terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years. In addition, the historical election of
an African American president and the prospect of policy changes are proving to be a
driving force for rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9236/militant_extremists_in_the_united_states.html#p8
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

[Homeownertoo]

Two points, the second being the far more important one.

1. I can agree violence goes in waves between left and right (though I have trouble with a definition of the right that includes any group that supports colletivism).

2. The examples I gave were not of terrorist groups. They were more or less run-of-the-mill leftist and leftist activists, not the extremists you cite above, and they adopted violent reactions toward the right and advocated violence against conservative politicians. People like Sarah Bernhardt, Rosie O'Donnell, Madonna, Montel Williams -- all icons of the left -- or supposedly mainstream leftist organizations such as Democratic Underground, or just people one would normally consider in the mainstream, such as photographer Jill Greenberg, with her disgusting images of Republican politicians, or public radio producer Sara Spitz, not to mention the leftwing violence that marred the Prop 8 campaign in California, as documented in the link I gave you, or the numerous documented instances of leftwing mobs in the US harassing individuals for all sorts of reasons.

We have seen this in Canada too. Can you think of a single leftwing speaker at a university who has been harassed and his speech denied due to rightwing violence? Nope. It doesn't happen. The reverse? Yes, there's a long list of conservative speakers, all of them mainstream, who have either been denied their chance to speak or forced to do so under heavy guard.

Is there violence and extremism from both the left and right? Of course. Is there some kind of equivalence between them? Nope, and for a reason. The violence you allude to from the right is in almost all instances that of extreme groups. The violence, or apprehension of violence, I discuss from the left is not. It's from groups and people we generally consider mainstream. And this distinction is what I am talking about, an apparently mainstream left that quickly resorts to either violence or violent imagery or the threat of violence toward its political opponents, and which considers that to be acceptable political speech. Why is there apparently so much more of that on the left than the right?

[The Green Barbarian]

We have seen this in Canada too. Can you think of a single leftwing speaker at a university who has been harassed and his speech denied due to rightwing violence? Nope. It doesn't happen. The reverse? Yes, there's a long list of conservative speakers, all of them mainstream, who have either been denied their chance to speak or forced to do so under heavy guard.

A perfect example - all of the wing nuts that surfaced and were protesting when Ann Coulter did her tour through Eastern Canada. The people protesting were completely revolting, as was the University of Ottawa and their cowardly letter sent out by their Provost. Yet complete scumbags like George Galloway are welcomed with open arms to our "houses of higher learning". It's ridiculous.

[Lycoming]

The secret service is only interested in stopping terrorist acts committed by people who look like they could be Muslim. Terrorist acts committed in America by white people are too common place to be able to stop. It's part of what makes America the great country that it is.

and this train just reached crazytown. Wow did this thread bring out the loony toons.

Awe someone got proven wrong again. Doesn't it just stick in your crank that you can't do anything about it other than nerd rage to the uncaring internet?

[kompili]

I think the right is well represented when it comes to violence through the government, and church's. How many deaths have they caused through history with their army's and christian point of views.

[daria]

Kennedy Points Finger at Sarah Palin

Patrick Kennedy, who lost two uncles to assassins’ bullets, says there’s an obvious connection between the violent rhetoric of today’s politics and the massacre in Tucson.

“When Sarah Palin puts targets on people’s districts? Or you have 10,000 signs on the mall during the healthcare battle saying ‘Bury Obamacare with Kennedy’? When the vitriol and the rhetoric is so violent, we have to connect consequences to that.” said Kennedy, who left congress two weeks ago after serving eight terms representing Rhode Island.

Saturday’s tragedy touches on both elements of Kennedy’s new mission in life — helping someone after they’ve been afflicted by a brain injury and ensuring universal access to mental health services, which might have prevented Jared Lee Loughner’s apparent paroxysm of madness.

In lengthy interviews with POLITICO, Kennedy talked about both Giffords and Loughner.

He called Giffords a “very compassionate person, with a generous spirit. She was always asking about me and how I was doing,” in the time just after his father’s death.

After the final vote on health care reform, Kennedy volunteered his services to raise money for Giffords and other Democrats who had voted yes and were facing a tough reelection fight. Kennedy was able to raise about $65,000 for Giffords “virtually overnight,” he said. “She was happily surprised.”

In Loughner, Kennedy sees an object lesson for the media and others. “When I hear terms about the alleged shooter in this case, perjorative terms like psycho, lunatic, or they say ‘He’s crazy.’ These are terms we use to describe someone’s mental health?” he asked, his voice booming over the telephone.

“This is a rare opportunity to take all the stigma and stereotyping, and take the terms like crazy and psycho, that are being bandied about by reputable people who should know better, and use this as an opportunity to have some enlightened debate about better public policy that can help respond to the real need amongst many families whose family members are part of that very small subset of individuals who suffer from violent, paranoid schizophrenia.”

(Loughner has not been diagnosed with schizophrenia; he faces federal charges in the deaths of six people and the wounding of 14.)

My family’s seen it up close too much with assassinations and violence in political life. It’s a terrible thing when people think that in order to get their point across they have to go to the edge of violent rhetoric and attack people personally,” Kennedy said during a speech before healthcare providers and union officials in downtown Providence in September 2009, according to the Providence Journal.

“It’s fine for people to debate the issue and attack the issue, but when they go and stoop to the level of the vitriolic rhetoric that we’ve seen this debate turn up, it’s very, I think, dangerous to the fabric of our country,” he said at the time.

“There are consequences to violent rhetoric,” he said. “Some people can see through TV ratings and right-wing talk show hosts that just try to create some theater, but unfortunately, there are some that can’t see through it. And that’s the danger in it. There is definitely freedom of speech, but freedom of speech does not allow yelling ‘fire’ in the middle of a crowded movie theater.”

Kennedy remains optimistic about the future, however, and said he is courting some major corporations to help raise money for veterans returning home with traumatic brain injury.

Last fall, in San Diego, Kennedy gave a speech before the National Foundation for Neuroscience, lamenting that there hasn’t been a “galvanizing moment” to spur the coordination of research of the brain.

What happened in Tucson may now be the moment.

“We’ve had a war on cancer, but never a war on Alzheimer’s. We’ve had a war on poverty, but never a war on Parkinson’s. As a result, progress has been painfully slow,” Kennedy told the researchers in San Diego. “To develop and gain approval for new treatment takes about 18 years, and the number of FDA approvals of new molecular entities has actually declined. Recently, pharmaceutical-company investment has declined with it. I suppose it’s possible to look at these facts and say, ‘The pace of discovery is uneven. That’s just the way it is.’

“But I say it’s time – it’s long past time – to redouble our efforts. To refocus our work. To marshal the American spirit toward this great challenge,” he said. “So when people ask me, after more than two decades in politics, what’s next? I’m proud to tell them. This is next.”

[The Green Barbarian]

The secret service is only interested in stopping terrorist acts committed by people who look like they could be Muslim. Terrorist acts committed in America by white people are too common place to be able to stop. It's part of what makes America the great country that it is.

and this train just reached crazytown. Wow did this thread bring out the loony toons.

Awe someone got proven wrong again. Doesn't it just stick in your crank that you can't do anything about it other than nerd rage to the uncaring internet?

proven wrong again? How? Did you submit a psych report showing you aren't crazy?

[The Green Barbarian]

Kennedy Points Finger at Sarah Palin

A Kennedy pointing the finger at Sarah Palin? Who could see that coming? /sarcasm

[MineralDoc]

I think the right is well represented when it comes to violence through the government, and church's. How many deaths have they caused through history with their army's and christian point of views.

In what country and in what years? Be specific and please provide supporting evidence to support your claims. Just trying to get some sort of clarification as to what you have spoken of in such a generalization.

(example); I too could make the same generalized comment when referring to ancient Rome or the Crusades, or ancient Egypt, or pre-God, for that matter. How long does one "hold a grudge"?

[The Green Barbarian]

I think the right is well represented when it comes to violence through the government, and church's. How many deaths have they caused through history with their army's and christian point of views.

In what country and in what years? Be specific and please provide supporting evidence to support your claims. Just trying to get some sort of clarification as to what you have spoken of in such a generalization.

you are asking for actual facts from these people to support their outrageous and nutty hyperbole? Be prepared for "I could give you facts but you aren't intelligent enough to understand" and other sort of belittling nonsense, but no facts, never any facts.

[Homeownertoo]

We have seen this in Canada too. Can you think of a single leftwing speaker at a university who has been harassed and his speech denied due to rightwing violence? Nope. It doesn't happen. The reverse? Yes, there's a long list of conservative speakers, all of them mainstream, who have either been denied their chance to speak or forced to do so under heavy guard.

A perfect example - all of the wing nuts that surfaced and were protesting when Ann Coulter did her tour through Eastern Canada. The people protesting were completely revolting, as was the University of Ottawa and their cowardly letter sent out by their Provost. Yet complete scumbags like George Galloway are welcomed with open arms to our "houses of higher learning". It's ridiculous.

Ann Coulter ... and Daniel Pipes, and Bejamin Netanyahu, and Mark Steyn, etc.

[kompili]

There are two wars going on right now started by a right wing president that are costing many lives of their people and of our soldiers over nothing other than some made up charges of the boogieman. I think it is well documented what the church's have been doing over the ages. Did you guys ever hear of reading a book, maybe not.

[kompili]

I think the right is well represented when it comes to violence through the government, and church's. How many deaths have they caused through history with their army's and christian point of views.

In what country and in what years? Be specific and please provide supporting evidence to support your claims. Just trying to get some sort of clarification as to what you have spoken of in such a generalization.

you are asking for actual facts from these people to support their outrageous and nutty hyperbole? Be prepared for "I could give you facts but you aren't intelligent enough to understand" and other sort of belittling nonsense, but no facts, never any facts.

I bet you look great in a cheerleader outfit for that is all you're good for on these threads.

[MineralDoc]

I think the right is well represented when it comes to violence through the government, and church's. How many deaths have they caused through history with their army's and christian point of views.

In what country and in what years? Be specific and please provide supporting evidence to support your claims. Just trying to get some sort of clarification as to what you have spoken of in such a generalization.

you are asking for actual facts from these people to support their outrageous and nutty hyperbole? Be prepared for "I could give you facts but you aren't intelligent enough to understand" and other sort of belittling nonsense, but no facts, never any facts.

Well, I gave them the chance anyways.

[MineralDoc]

There are two wars going on right now started by a right wing president that are costing many lives of their people and of our soldiers over nothing other than some made up charges of the boogieman. I think it is well documented what the church's have been doing over the ages. Did you guys ever hear of reading a book, maybe not.

Have you ever heard of "supporting evidence"? Maybe not?