Radical religious views of all stripe

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steven lloyd wrote:Today it’s tea and cream pastries.
Tomorrow its bombs on subway platforms.
Then one night in downtown Vancouver or Toronto
Allah be praised.

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So are we supposed to fear the people who actually set off explosions like in the picture, or the ones people keep saying will set off an explosion like in the picture?
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the problem tho steven is in the bible what does revelations talk about? how do those end of days come about? will some christians make that self fullfilling? that scenerio is just as scary as anything the muslims got in my opinion
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zzontar wrote: So are we supposed to fear the people who actually set off explosions like in the picture, or the ones people keep saying will set off an explosion like in the picture?

I'll let you decide that one for yourself. Personally, I'm not too worried about the US setting off a nuke anywhere on North American or European soil. In fact, Western nuclear armed nations are my least concern of using a nuclear weapon anywhere - even pre-emptively. I think it is easily evident that rogue groups and nations present a far greater risk.
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lakevixen wrote:the problem tho steven is in the bible what does revelations talk about?

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funny but not a answer lol
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steven lloyd wrote:I'll let you decide that one for yourself. Personally, I'm not too worried about the US setting off a nuke anywhere on North American or European soil. In fact, Western nuclear armed nations are my least concern of using a nuclear weapon anywhere - even pre-emptively. I think it is easily evident that rogue groups and nations present a far greater risk.


It would seem that way, but that might be in part by media influence. Ask most people about who commits most of the terrorist acts in the U.S. and they'll say Muslims, yet the Jews are responsible for more terrorist acts in the States than Muslims, but consider who controls the media.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/ ... -2012.html
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I would suggest that there are less successful Muslim attacks because of the focus on them from Homeland ,CIA etc. not who controls the media.
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Another Famous American Converts to Islam

It's becoming a very scary world out there...

It was announced today that Buckwheat,
of Our Gang fame, has converted to
the Muslim faith and changed his name to
'Kareem of Wheat'.

Let’s just hope he doesn't become a cereal killer...
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Ever noticed that Revelations is a totally different sort of thing than the gospels? Ever wondered why it was included when the bible was codified 3-400 years after the fact ( and other "books" not)?

I've often thought purely to provide the mechanisms of fear to use as part of political power wielded through the religious authorities. No "fire and brimstone" to beat folks over the head with - no effective political control.

That's theocracy in action...
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zzontar wrote:...yet the Jews are responsible for more terrorist acts in the States than Muslims...

Here's the list of 'Jewish' terrorist incidents on American soil from Wikipedia:

Jewish extremism

1970: Jewish Defense League linked with a bomb explosion outside of Aeroflot's New York City office in protest of treatment of Soviet Jews
1971: Jewish Defense League linked to a detonation outside of Soviet cultural offices in Washington, D.C. and rifle fire into the Soviet mission to the United Nations


Here's the list of 'Muslim' terrorist incidents on American soil from Wikipedia:

Attacks or failed attacks by date

1977 Hanafi Siege
1989 firebombing of the Riverdale Press
1990 Assassination of Meir Kahane by Egyptian
1990 Assassination of Rashad Khalifa for questioning Koranic verses
1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters
1993 World Trade Center bombing
1993 New York City landmark bomb plot
1997 Empire State Building shooting
1997 Murder of Prison Guard by Haneef Bilal[29]
2000 H. Rap Brown(Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin) shoots two police officers
2000 New York terror attack
2000 millennium attack plots
2001 September 11 attacks
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting
2002 José Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir) Plot
2002 Buffalo Six
2002 John Allen Muhammad (Washington Sniper) killings
2003 Murder of Ariel Sellouk
2003 Columbus Shopping Mall bombing plot
2004 financial buildings plot
2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
2006 Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar SUV attack
2006 Sears Tower plot
2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting
2006 Toledo terror plot
2006 transatlantic aircraft plot
2007 Fort Dix attack plot
2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot
2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 Bronx terrorism plot
2009 Dallas Car Bomb Plot by Hosam Maher Husein Smadi[30]
2009 New York subway and United Kingdom plot
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2009 Colleen LaRose arrested (not made public until March 2010)
2009 Failed Christmas bombing of Northwest Flight 253 (a.k.a. "Underwear Bomber" incident)
2010 Attempted suicide car crash on Whitestone Bridge
2010 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt
2010 King Salmon, Alaska local meteorologist and wife assassination plots
2010 Alleged Washington Metro bomb plot
2010 Alleged car bomb plot against Portland, Oregon Christmas tree lighting ceremony
2010 Alleged plot to bomb military recruiting center in Catonsville, Maryland
2010 Abu Talhah al-Amrikee death threats to South Park Creators- See: Zachary Adam Chesser[31]
2011 Alleged Saudi Arabian student bomb plots
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
2011 Lone Wolf New York City, Bayonne,NJ pipe bombs plot.
2011 Alleged plot to attack Pentagon, U.S. Capitol with model aircraft packed with explosives
2012 Car bomb plot in Florida.[32]
2012 February 17: An illegal immigrant from Morocco was arrested near the Capitol after an undercover investigation into an alleged plot to carry out a suicide attack on the national landmark that houses Congress.[33] Amine el-Khalifi, 29, was picked up while carrying an inoperable gun and a fake suicide vest provided to him by undercover FBI agents posing as al-Qaeda associates.[34]
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^^ Just going by what I read: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/ ... -2012.html. You tell me who has the better source. Here's another interesting tidbit from the Washington Post, from 1970-2011, there have been 1,886 terrorist attacks in the U.S.http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ed-states/

You listed the attacks by Muslims which totaled 49. 49 divided by 1,886 leaves the percentage of terrorist attacks by Muslims there at .025%
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Here's the list of 'Jewish' terrorist incidents on American soil from Wikipedia:

Jewish extremism

1970: Jewish Defense League linked with a bomb explosion outside of Aeroflot's New York City office in protest of treatment of Soviet Jews
1971: Jewish Defense League linked to a detonation outside of Soviet cultural offices in Washington, D.C. and rifle fire into the Soviet mission to the United Nations


Wikipedia only lists 2 attacks? More from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_t ... ted_States
Attacks by the Jewish Defense League [edit]
Main article: Terrorism by the Jewish Defense League
In 2004 congressional testimony, John S. Pistole, Executive Assistant Director for Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence for the Federal Bureau of Investigation described the JDL as "a known violent extremist Jewish Organization."[18] FBI statistics show that, from 1980 through 1985, there were 18 terrorist attacks in the U.S. committed by Jews


So who's right, Wikipedia or Wikipedia?
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zzontar wrote:So who's right, Wikipedia or Wikipedia?

Dunno. I guess facts aren't checked from one page to another.

Goes to show that maybe one shouldn't rely on one source for their information.
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zzontar wrote:It would seem that way, but that might be in part by media influence. Ask most people about who commits most of the terrorist acts in the U.S. and they'll say Muslims, yet the Jews are responsible for more terrorist acts in the States than Muslims, but consider who controls the media.

Of the 17,200 deaths and injuries attributed to terrorism between 1980 and 2005, well over 16,000 were due to Islamic terrorism, according to the FBI/

[url]. http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publi ... rism11.jpg and http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html[/url]

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Nebula wrote:Here's the list of 'Jewish' terrorist incidents on American soil from Wikipedia:

Jewish extremism

1970: Jewish Defense League linked with a bomb explosion outside of Aeroflot's New York City office in protest of treatment of Soviet Jews
1971: Jewish Defense League linked to a detonation outside of Soviet cultural offices in Washington, D.C. and rifle fire into the Soviet mission to the United Nations

Here's the list of 'Muslim' terrorist incidents on American soil from Wikipedia:

Attacks or failed attacks by date

1977 Hanafi Siege
1989 firebombing of the Riverdale Press
1990 Assassination of Meir Kahane by Egyptian
1990 Assassination of Rashad Khalifa for questioning Koranic verses
1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters
1993 World Trade Center bombing
1993 New York City landmark bomb plot
1997 Empire State Building shooting
1997 Murder of Prison Guard by Haneef Bilal[29]
2000 H. Rap Brown(Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin) shoots two police officers
2000 New York terror attack
2000 millennium attack plots
2001 September 11 attacks
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting
2002 José Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir) Plot
2002 Buffalo Six
2002 John Allen Muhammad (Washington Sniper) killings
2003 Murder of Ariel Sellouk
2003 Columbus Shopping Mall bombing plot
2004 financial buildings plot
2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
2006 Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar SUV attack
2006 Sears Tower plot
2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting
2006 Toledo terror plot
2006 transatlantic aircraft plot
2007 Fort Dix attack plot
2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot
2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 Bronx terrorism plot
2009 Dallas Car Bomb Plot by Hosam Maher Husein Smadi[30]
2009 New York subway and United Kingdom plot
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2009 Colleen LaRose arrested (not made public until March 2010)
2009 Failed Christmas bombing of Northwest Flight 253 (a.k.a. "Underwear Bomber" incident)
2010 Attempted suicide car crash on Whitestone Bridge
2010 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt
2010 King Salmon, Alaska local meteorologist and wife assassination plots
2010 Alleged Washington Metro bomb plot
2010 Alleged car bomb plot against Portland, Oregon Christmas tree lighting ceremony
2010 Alleged plot to bomb military recruiting center in Catonsville, Maryland
2010 Abu Talhah al-Amrikee death threats to South Park Creators- See: Zachary Adam Chesser[31]
2011 Alleged Saudi Arabian student bomb plots
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
2011 Lone Wolf New York City, Bayonne,NJ pipe bombs plot.
2011 Alleged plot to attack Pentagon, U.S. Capitol with model aircraft packed with explosives
2012 Car bomb plot in Florida.[32]
2012 February 17: An illegal immigrant from Morocco was arrested near the Capitol after an undercover investigation into an alleged plot to carry out a suicide attack on the national landmark that houses Congress.[33] Amine el-Khalifi, 29, was picked up while carrying an inoperable gun and a fake suicide vest provided to him by undercover FBI agents posing as al-Qaeda associates.[34]
2013 Boston Marathon Bombing

You are obviously just another right-wing extremist hate-mongering racist for pointing that out.
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