Tic ...Toc ... Israel

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Israel was founded by Zionist terrorists.

Israel is reaping the terror it has sown over the past 80 years.

Israel plays the victim but in reality, it victimized two generations of Palestinians. Zionist extremism has killed many times more Palestinians than Jews have been killed by Palestinian resistance.

It's not complicated.
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Queen K wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 10:38 am What is your proposal for the region?
Well by now just about everyone should realize a two-state solution will never work. No nation should accept living next to a group whose ideology and religion calls for the complete destruction of their country and genocide of all its citizens within. Hamas is pure evil and needs to be completely eliminated, and both Gaza and the West Bank returned to Israel. Arabs who want to remain within the borders of Israel and live in peace would, as always, be welcome. Anything less than the total annihilation of the Hamas terrorists and return of Gaza to Israel only guarantees a repeat of October 7 and for the cycle of violence to continue.

Destroy the terrorists, return Gaza to Israel and have Arabs and Jews all living in peace under the one nation of Israel.

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steven lloyd wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 11:03 am
Queen K wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 10:38 am What is your proposal for the region?
Well by now just about everyone should realize a two-state solution will never work. No nation should accept living next to a group whose ideology and religion calls for the complete destruction of their country and genocide of all its citizens within. Hamas is pure evil and needs to be completely eliminated, and both Gaza and the West Bank returned to Israel. Arabs who want to remain within the borders of Israel and live in peace would, as always, be welcome. Anything less than the total annihilation of the Hamas terrorists and return of Gaza to Israel only guarantees a repeat of October 7 and for the cycle of violence to continue.
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zerograv wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 11:24 am
How can something be "given back" to someone when it wasn't theirs in the first place?
Because the ancient Jewish version of Lord of the Rings says so, and if you disagree with it you hate Jews.
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A CNN reporter talks about just how evil the Hamas death pigs are, and about how dumb their apologist dupes are as well.
Hamas played other games with language, presenting themselves as reasonable by saying that its leaders would in theory agree to a long-term hudna, or truce, with Israel. Their words sound nice — who wouldn’t chose a lasting truce over the horrific killing and destruction we are now witnessing? — but the reality was that Hamas would never ink a permanent deal with Israel because, their leaders told me, Islam forbade it.

And then there were the outright distortions. Ahead of October 7, Hamas duped Israel into thinking that the organization was uninterested in inflaming the situation and wanted Gazans’ lives to improve. With that in mind, Israel actually relaxed the Gaza border crossings in late September — a week before the attack — to let more Palestinian laborers into Israel. Sadly, the opening to thousands of additional workers from Gaza turned Israel into an information sieve from which Hamas reportedly gathered intelligence for its attack last month.

Hamas also played fast and loose with facts they gave us reporters. During the first major Israel-Hamas war in 2008 to 2009, known as Operation Cast Lead, Hamas said that fewer than 50 of the 1,400 dead in Gaza had been combatants. But more than a year later, Hamas’ interior minister acknowledged in an interview with the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper that between 600 and 700 of its militants were killed in that war. In that and in almost every war since, Hamas or other militant groups in Gaza launched rockets that fell unintentionally on their own citizens, but rarely if ever, owned up to the error, instead blaming Israel for the deaths.

Yet how often did that stop us from reporting what they told us? That dynamic was on display last month when many mainstream media outlets immediately repeated Hamas’ claim that an Israeli air strike had devastated a hospital and killed a big round figure of 500 Palestinians. More details later emerged, indicating that it was most likely Islamic Jihad, a Hamas rival organization, that had fired an errant missile that landed on the site, and that the casualty count was much lower.

Hospitals once again took center stage in the war when Israel surrounded the Al-Shifa Hospital after claiming that Hamas had operated out of it. Hamas has long denied using hospitals despite proof that they do, and did the same this time even though there is evidence that weapons were found on site and tunnels have been built to allow the organization to use Al-Shifa as a base.
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steven lloyd wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 11:03 am


Arabs who want to remain within the borders of Israel and live in peace would, as always, be welcome.
Some of you might want to run that by Itamar Ben-G'vir and Bezalel Smotrich, extremist members of Parliament.

“My right, the right of my wife, of my children to move around on the roads in the West Bank is more important than the right to freedom of movement of the Arabs – sorry, Mohammed, this is the reality, this is the truth,” he said. “My right to life precedes [their] right to freedom of movement.”

“Yes, Mohammed, I know you have a hard time hiding your empathy for terrorism, but I have no intention of apologizing to you. The right of the settlers to live and not to be murdered outweighs the right of movement of the Arabs in Judea and Samaria.
~National Security Minister Itamar Ben-G'Vir

Asked about a weekend settler rampage through the Palestinian village of Huwara, which an Israeli general on described as a "pogrom," Smotrich said: "I think that Huwara needs to be erased. Enough with talk about building and strengthening the settlement, the deterrence needs to happen immediately and there is no room for mercy”.

On 13 October 2021, Smotrich said in a speech to Palestinian Knesset members: "You are here by mistake because Ben-Gurion did not finish the job in '48 and did not throw you out."
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Whiskey-Jack wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 12:36 pm
steven lloyd wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 11:03 am


Arabs who want to remain within the borders of Israel and live in peace would, as always, be welcome.
Some of you might want to run that by Itamar Ben-G'vir and Bezalel Smotrich, extremist members of Parliament.

“My right, the right of my wife, of my children to move around on the roads in the West Bank is more important than the right to freedom of movement of the Arabs – sorry, Mohammed, this is the reality, this is the truth,” he said. “My right to life precedes [their] right to freedom of movement.”

“Yes, Mohammed, I know you have a hard time hiding your empathy for terrorism, but I have no intention of apologizing to you. The right of the settlers to live and not to be murdered outweighs the right of movement of the Arabs in Judea and Samaria.
~National Security Minister Itamar Ben-G'Vir

Asked about a weekend settler rampage through the Palestinian village of Huwara, which an Israeli general on described as a "pogrom," Smotrich said: "I think that Huwara needs to be erased. Enough with talk about building and strengthening the settlement, the deterrence needs to happen immediately and there is no room for mercy”.

On 13 October 2021, Smotrich said in a speech to Palestinian Knesset members: "You are here by mistake because Ben-Gurion did not finish the job in '48 and did not throw you out."
~Bezalel Smotrich, Israeli Minister of Finance
They've been saying it out loud the entire time.
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zerograv wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 8:59 am
Babba_not_Gump wrote: Dec 6th, 2023, 8:48 pm
It is a great video. I would suspect that Hamas is taking a beating and flooding these tunnels is the logical step. There's no way Hanas can completely seal off a tunnel, preventing water from leaking through to more tunnels.
Just keep pumping, 24/7.

And while we're back on the subject, who recalls when and why this all started?

October 7, 2023 when Hamas TERRORISTS murdered over 1200 innocent civilians and took over 200 as hostages.
Let's not forget that.
This is incorrect. Israel now states it's less than 1000. With over 60% being combatants and a large portion killed by the IDF itself.

All the beheaded babies and babies hanging on clothes racks was all a lie.

In fact, there's only 2 minors listed on the official death toll. And funny enough, one of them was Arab. They were both killed by the IDF.
Do you want to quibble over a few numbers? If so, then provide a link.
Why is there no link?

Ok, here's the latest,
Israel has officially identified 1,151 people murdered in the Hamas onslaught, with an unknown number of others still awaiting confirmation, and some of the remaining Gaza hostages possibly dead as well.
Authorities have identified a total of
274 soldiers and
859 non-soldiers killed during the brutal assault. The latter figure includes
57 Israel Police officers and
38 local security officers. It is unclear which of these individuals were on duty when killed. Removing those victims leaves a figure of
764 civilians.


Also,
122 other Israelis and foreigners currently being held hostage in Gaza
an unknown number of whom are dead
after a total of 109 hostages were freed by Hamas.
Another hostage (a soldier) was rescued alive by IDF forces, and three bodies of slain hostages — two civilians and one soldier — were recovered by Israeli troops
An additional seven Israelis are currently listed as missing,


And your accusation of "only" two minors? Where did you dig up that info?
Got a link for that?
Here's what the Israelis are saying,
two infants,
12 other children under the age of 10,
36 civilians aged 10-19, and
25 elderly people over the age of 80, accounting for
75 of the 764 civilians.


It's best for everyone to try to stay up to date.

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Babba_not_Gump wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 1:30 pm
zerograv wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 8:59 am

This is incorrect. Israel now states it's less than 1000. With over 60% being combatants and a large portion killed by the IDF itself.

All the beheaded babies and babies hanging on clothes racks was all a lie.

In fact, there's only 2 minors listed on the official death toll. And funny enough, one of them was Arab. They were both killed by the IDF.
Do you want to quibble over a few numbers? If so, then provide a link.
Why is there no link?

Ok, here's the latest,
Israel has officially identified 1,151 people murdered in the Hamas onslaught, with an unknown number of others still awaiting confirmation, and some of the remaining Gaza hostages possibly dead as well.
Authorities have identified a total of
274 soldiers and
859 non-soldiers killed during the brutal assault. The latter figure includes
57 Israel Police officers and
38 local security officers. It is unclear which of these individuals were on duty when killed. Removing those victims leaves a figure of
764 civilians.


Also,
122 other Israelis and foreigners currently being held hostage in Gaza
an unknown number of whom are dead
after a total of 109 hostages were freed by Hamas.
Another hostage (a soldier) was rescued alive by IDF forces, and three bodies of slain hostages — two civilians and one soldier — were recovered by Israeli troops
An additional seven Israelis are currently listed as missing,


And your accusation of "only" two minors? Where did you dig up that info?
Got a link for that?
Here's what the Israelis are saying,
two infants,
12 other children under the age of 10,
36 civilians aged 10-19, and
25 elderly people over the age of 80, accounting for
75 of the 764 civilians.


It's best for everyone to try to stay up to date.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-u ... now-about/

Sorry, but the "terrorist sign in sheet, but actually a calendar" people aren't a credible source of information :up:
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Whiskey-Jack wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 11:00 am Israel was founded by Zionist terrorists.

Israel is reaping the terror it has sown over the past 80 years.

Israel plays the victim but in reality, it victimized two generations of Palestinians. Zionist extremism has killed many times more Palestinians than Jews have been killed by Palestinian resistance.

It's not complicated.
My question to you was not above your head. What is your solution? We have SL's solution.
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Queen K wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 1:47 pm
Whiskey-Jack wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 11:00 am Israel was founded by Zionist terrorists.

Israel is reaping the terror it has sown over the past 80 years.

Israel plays the victim but in reality, it victimized two generations of Palestinians. Zionist extremism has killed many times more Palestinians than Jews have been killed by Palestinian resistance.

It's not complicated.
My question to you was not above your head. What is your solution? We have SL's solution.
Most of the conflicts in the world grow directly from European and North American efforts to impose highly un-natural nation-state systems. A nation-state such as Israel, is extremely unnatural. It breaks up people who have natural connections; it imposes unity on people who are not united, whether by language or culture or anything else. It takes a lot of violence and brutality to impose a rigid frame on complex organisms like human societies.

The solution is a bi-national state, because there are two separate cultures, different languages and different traditions which should be able to live in cooperation and harmony.
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Sorry but this is difficult to say: I do not agree with this practise. How you want your prisoners of war to be treated is how you treat your prisoners of war. This can't be it.

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steven lloyd wrote: Dec 7th, 2023, 11:03 am
No nation should accept living next to a group whose ideology and religion calls for the complete destruction of their country and genocide of all its citizens within.
Yes agree that Israel needs to be broken up and removed. Nuclear weapon terrorists holding th entire region hostage while stealing land because Daddy Sam let's them get away with it.

Remove their illegal undeclared nuclear weapons and let them stand on their own two feet and see how long they last.
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Now I have to google "Kahanist"

But this is interesting. The police in Jerusalm being called "*bleep* of the Arabs"? :135: What the ???
So the march was going to be allowed, but not with inflammatory signs and those got consfiscated and then the crowd turned on the police. During a war. Interesting times.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-ca ... -violated/

Oh dear, Kahane and Kahanism in now mainstream Israel, and this was published well before 2023.


https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210 ... ainstream/
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gertlush wrote: Dec 6th, 2023, 7:18 pm The IDF "Killing everyone, and destroying everything, except Hamas" [icon_lol2.gif]
So you're on the ground in Gaza to confirm this, or are you mindlessly believing the Hama$$hats again?
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