Electric cars/Tesla/Solar power

[Jlabute]

Yup, no chemistry, like a big supercap. A few companies have been working on this including the grabat which was supposed to have already shipped. Of course, the article says "maybe" for Toyota having a solution for 2022. The grabat didn't materialize at the end of 2016 like they said it would. Graphene supercaps still require a lot of research. But, that would do it for me... it is safer, higher energy density, and faster charging than any lithium chemistry. Lighter and cheaper too theoretically. So long as the vehicle is in my price range and they don't charge more for electricity than gas.
The gigafactory would become obsolete before they paid it all off.

[maryjane48]

http://www.gasmonkeygarage.com/bollinge ... ity-truck/


all electric 4x4

[maryjane48]

Yup, no chemistry, like a big supercap. A few companies have been working on this including the grabat which was supposed to have already shipped. Of course, the article says "maybe" for Toyota having a solution for 2022. The grabat didn't materialize at the end of 2016 like they said it would. Graphene supercaps still require a lot of research. But, that would do it for me... it is safer, higher energy density, and faster charging than any lithium chemistry. Lighter and cheaper too theoretically. So long as the vehicle is in my price range and they don't charge more for electricity than gas.
The gigafactory would become obsolete before they paid it all off.

lol like musk coudnt buy any company on earth . you do realize he has contracts with nasa right . and trip to mars in the trillions per mars shot right ?

[Smurf]

You do realize that your idol is only the 80th richest man in the world at 16.1 billion July 2017. Yes that is an achievement but he is certainly not huge in the world of the rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

Bill Gates at 86 billion
Warren Buffet 76.6 billion
Jeff Bezos 72.8 billion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World ... llionaires

Given that Bill and Warren donate billions to charity every year Elon Musk has a long hill to climb in the world of the rich.

[neilsimon]

...
lol like musk coudnt buy any company on earth . you do realize he has contracts with nasa right . and trip to mars in the trillions per mars shot right ?

Toyota is worth about 10 times Musk's wealth and VW is worth about 5 times. That's just car companies.

[Jlabute]

Musk has 8+ billion in long term debt and it's going up faster than a hockey stick.

https://ycharts.com/companies/TSLA/total_long_term_debt

[Jlabute]

So, where do we buy a European electric vehicle? It is probably the only thing that'll be left.
63,000 people have cancelled their Tesla 3 reservation. I suppose the wait is rough. Elon is hoping to get production up to 20,000 vehicles a month, but at that rate, some people will be waiting 5 years to get their vehicle. As some would say, "Hope is not a strategy".


http://www.thedrive.com/tech/13163/63000-people-have-cancelled-their-tesla-model-3-reservations-so-far

[Omnitheo]

Banning gas cars by 2040 is like banning horses on highways by 2040. They're not gonna be there anyways

[Jlabute]

Banning gas cars by 2040 is like banning horses on highways by 2040. They're not gonna be there anyways

Probably, but, I don't think as soon as 2040. That is as optimistic as Al Gores prediction that polar caps will be gone by 2014. Unless something extreme occurs in the marketplace that makes fuel unavailable, or those with low income can all of a sudden replace their used gas vehicle with a new electric. Chaos would occur. To make sure you'd have no gas cars at all on the road for 2040, you have to stop selling gas cars 20 years ago. I also feel sorry for those with vintage gas vehicles.
Also EVs are a tiny portion of sales today, and lithium batteries suck. Perhaps there will be a breakthrough before 2025 and pushed in to production. Even then it would take 50 years before all the legacy vehicles are gone. Hopefully, a full set of vehicles like semi trucks will all of a sudden become common out of thin air.

Tesla is trying to ramp up to 20,000 vehicles a month, no telling if they can do it any time soon. If they could do 20,000 cars a month, then by the year 2040 there could be 5 million Teslas... which is still a drop in the bucket for how many are needed.

I can hardly wait for the day of no oil changes and timing belts, etc. Longer lasting high capacity batteries need to come also and 1/2 the price.

[lesliepaul]

maryjane48..............how exactly have YOU bought into "saving the planet" at all costs?

I personally have a "blue Box"............that's my contribution.

[maryjane48]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/elon-mu ... -race.html

[Queen K]

Keating, a former Credit Suisse research chief, said big automakers such as Daimler, BMW and Volkswagen have been "in denial" about the force of electric cars.

"I think Tesla was always all about electric cars, whereas I think the conventional auto manufacturers, they were in denial. They just kind of almost wanted batteries to be weak so that they wouldn't have to go that route so that their existing route of business can continue, if I'm brutal about it," he said.

Anyone remember Eastman Kodak? Ya, they were in denial too about how the film industry was moving.

Here is what was said about Kodak's products:

"Part of it is an issue of modernization, and what Kodak stood for is film, he said. "They didn't stand for imaging—and though it's stuff that they created, and you've got to give them credit—it's the category that did them in."

Big car manufacturers take note. The World wants a better way to propel vehicles. Don't be a Kodak.

[Jlabute]

Kodak actually made the first digital camera.
https://petapixel.com/2010/08/05/the-wo ... ve-sasson/
Kodak continues to make imaging sensors, medical equipment and more.

The race belongs to who brings the best technology.

As for companies fighting to be the boss of lithium, they are fighting over a technology that will soon be dead. Auto manufacturers know this, and want something better than lithium. Lithium batteries are expensive, explosive, and a moderately priced Nissan Leaf Has a range of 135km. *bleep*, this is an expensive niche market.

In the article: "The batteries are 'thought' to be a sustainable alternative to petroleum and diesel, as they can be recharged rather than burned". Sounds like he is very unsure of his facts. Are they guessing? Many research findings indicate the manufacturing of a tesla lithium battery is equivalent to driving a gas vehicle for 8 years. EV sales are very low. If the subsidies dry up sales will be lower. Right now, EV, hybrid together make less than 3% of sales. Cost, Range, and charge time is most people's concern.

[maryjane48]

but we know the uk france are going to ban carbonburning cars and im willing bet canada wont be far behind . its not if . just a matter of when . horsebuggy vs car except carbon is now the horse buggy . teslas direct competator just anounced billions to buy perelli tire factory to make ev cars .

[maryjane48]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/16/hyundai ... hicle.html






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Hyundai to catch up in the green car race with 500km-per-charge electric vehicle
Hyundai Motor said on Thursday it will launch a long-range electric vehicle with a driving range of 500 km (311 miles) per charge after 2021
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Visitors look at a Hyundai Ioniq electric vehicle at the Hyundai Motorstudio showroom in Goyang, South Korea, on Friday, July 14, 2017.
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Visitors look at a Hyundai Ioniq electric vehicle at the Hyundai Motorstudio showroom in Goyang, South Korea, on Friday, July 14, 2017.
Hyundai Motor said Thursday it will launch a long-range electric vehicle with a driving range of 500 km (311 miles) per charge after 2021, seeking to address investor concerns that it is lagging rivals in the green car race.
The automaker and affiliate Kia Motors, which together rank fifth in global vehicle sales, also said they are planning 31 eco-friendly models by 2020, up from a previously flagged 28.
Battery-powered cars offered by the likes of Tesla are gaining traction faster than fuel cell vehicles backed by Hyundai Motor and Toyota Motor.