Pumpkin spice lattes are racist

[The Green Barbarian]

I thought that the right were all about taking personal responsibility, but it seems I am wrong. Stop blaming other people for your own mistakes.
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I couldn't have said it better myself. It's time for the leftist elitists to stop blaming everyone else for why Trump won, and take some personal responsibility. For people who consider themselves so superior, they sure are stupid.

[The Green Barbarian]

I get it. The right is tired of being called stupid.

From the Americans I have talked to, it's not just about being called stupid, it's about being called stupid by people who are not only stupid themselves, but horribly arrogant and out of touch with reality. They don't want to hear any other viewpoints, and it comes off as elitist and horribly insulting. Just look at what happened in Canada last week. The Liberals and NDP walked out of a meeting to elect the leader of the Committee on the Status of Women. Just walked out. Didn't debate. Didn't talk. Didn't do anything other than act like spoiled rotten children. It's this kind of laziness, arrogance and stupidity that caused Trump to win. And it appears that the Left just doesn't get it.

The part I don't get is when they give someone like Trump the nuclear launch codes, aren't they in no uncertain terms proving them right?

And wouldn't they also have proved that the Left is stupid if Hilary had won? If you don't understand that, then you just aren't getting it.

[Omnitheo]

Always deflecting onto Hillary. Always playing the “what if” game if Hillary Clinton was president. Guess what, she’s not. It doesn’t matter if she “might” have made some corrupt actions as the president. It’s an imaginary scenario, one which you fixate on to distract you from the reality of actual corruption going on in office under Donald Trump.

Those of you who supported Trump, the shame is on you. Every national embarrassment this man makes, you get to live with, you get to carry on your shoulders. You can man up and own up to it. Disavow the deplorable actions of this president and other supporters who’s bigotry and intolerance he has flamed. Or remain a sheep. A coward. Follow your flock, and whenever you’re challenged cry wolf at “The Left”

And that’s what’s happening. The man is dick wagging with nuclear weapons. Promoting hatred and violence. Only half heartedly paying attention to major crises in his own country, and only if they provide a decent photo op. A man that is more interested looking good in a photo pretending to drive a fire truck than millions of his own people suffering. And to that all you can say is “this is the left’s fault...because Pumpkin Spice Lattes”.

Sad.

[Verum]

I thought that the right were all about taking personal responsibility, but it seems I am wrong. Stop blaming other people for your own mistakes.
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I couldn't have said it better myself. It's time for the leftist elitists to stop blaming everyone else for why Trump won, and take some personal responsibility. For people who consider themselves so superior, they sure are stupid.

You clearly don't understand what personal responsibility is. This is a theme with you, isn't it? Those on the left didn't elect Trump and no amount of spinning it will change that. They put forward a useless candidate, but that changes nothing. You don't blame a rape victim for no doing enough to fend off her attacker, do you? Those on the left in the US screwed up, but Trump is not on them.

It's funny, not funny, how while both sides are really bad at taking responsibility for their actions, it's the side which claims to push for personal responsibility which is pushing this "you made me do it" BS.

[Verum]

Maybe these guys are right and it's up to the left to persuade the right not to elect a moron.

Boy you guys sure like living outside the bounds of reality. How about this - though I know it's hard to follow for you guys - why not put forward a leader who isn't also a moron, and who listens to both sides, instead of being an elitist jerk-off too? How about that?

You're victim blaming. I suppose you blame the Jews for the Holocaust, and slaves for allowing themselves to be taken as slaves.

Hilary would have been a terrible leader and if she had been elected, that would have been on the left. She wasn't and so they are not to blame.

So we have this ignorant snob who cares more about his personal image than the welfare of Americans. He clearly has no self-control, no understanding and no desire to improve America for anyone but himself. He's screwing up American competitiveness, global trade ties, and ultimately the future of the US. That is on the right. Isn't it ironic that much that the right (and I) traditionally stood for, efficiency, competition, economic progress, are all being jeopardised by this moron who was picked by people of supposedly similar values.

[JLives]

Hilary would have been a terrible leader and if she had been elected, that would have been on the left. She wasn't and so they are not to blame.

No she wouldn't. She'd be a boring centrist. Hillary is a nerd. She lives and breathes policy. She wouldn't have been exciting but she would have done a good job and her heart was in the right place. The internet made her into a character that doesn't actually exist

[The Green Barbarian]

Those of you who supported Trump, the shame is on you. .

and to all the elitist arrogant leftists responsible for him getting elected (like these Ultraviolet lunatics), and who still to this day don't get the role they played, the shame is on you, and it's growing daily. Sad.

[The Green Barbarian]

You clearly don't understand what personal responsibility is. .

I certainly do, and that's why I can see so clearly what Jonathon Pie is saying, and so can Rustled. You don't get it Jolly, because to "get it" it would require those responsible on the Left for Trump being elected to take on some blame. And that would cause people to question their beliefs, and that just isn't allowed on the Left. It's "we're right, and we will shout you down and bully you if you try to contradict us". This crap is still going on today, and in fact, it's getting worse. It's time the Left took some personal responsibility, like this Ultraviolet group (see I'm try to stay on topic, unlike you guys) and grow the hell up. Take you lumps, examine what's wrong with your messaging (there's lots to work with there), and stop being so divisionist. Stop pointing fingers at everyone else, and point them at yourself.

[The Green Barbarian]

You're victim blaming.

No, you are the one who is victim blaming. And it's really sad.

I suppose you blame the Jews for the Holocaust,

No Jolly, I don't blame them. I do place a lot of blame on the loser lazy leftist/socialists that were running Europe at the time, and who didn't help the Jewish people when they needed them most. Our own Liberal PM, William Lyon McKenzie King, deserves a ton of blame too.

and slaves for allowing themselves to be taken as slaves.

In this case, as slavery is still going on in the world, I blame the Islamic cultures like those in Mauritania for continuing to allow this practice to exist, and I blame the brainless Left for screaming "Racist!!" and "Bigot!!" everytime anyone tries to talk about this problem. Just like I blame the Left for doing the same when the Iranians execute gay people.

This is what I don't get about groups like Ultraviolet. There is still so much pain and suffering in the world that women have to endure, and instead of trying to do something about it, they call on people to stop getting pumpkin lattes at Starbucks. Literally the laziest and dumbest thing they could do to "make a difference". And in enacting this stupidity, they just ensure that Trump will get re-elected in 2020. They are just so freaking stupid.

So we have this ignorant snob who cares more about his personal image than the welfare of Americans. He clearly has no self-control, no understanding and no desire to improve America for anyone but himself. He's screwing up American competitiveness, global trade ties, and ultimately the future of the US. That is on the right..

and even moreso on the Left.

[Verum]

You clearly don't understand what personal responsibility is. .

I certainly do, and that's why I can see so clearly what Jonathon Pie is saying, and so can Rustled. You don't get it Jolly, because to "get it" it would require those responsible on the Left for Trump being elected to take on some blame. And that would cause people to question their beliefs, and that just isn't allowed on the Left. It's "we're right, and we will shout you down and bully you if you try to contradict us". This crap is still going on today, and in fact, it's getting worse. It's time the Left took some personal responsibility, like this Ultraviolet group (see I'm try to stay on topic, unlike you guys) and grow the hell up. Take you lumps, examine what's wrong with your messaging (there's lots to work with there), and stop being so divisionist. Stop pointing fingers at everyone else, and point them at yourself.

Idiots like those in UltraViolet, yes, they are on the left and the left has to take responsibility for that. What you are saying is basically, when the left screws up, it's the left's fault, and when the right screws up, it's the left's fault too. If you can't see how idiotic that is, there is nothing I can do to help.

Do you not see how you personally are engaging in this "we're right, and we will shout you down and bully you if you try to contradict us" and ignoring your own message: "Take you lumps, examine what's wrong with your messaging (there's lots to work with there), and stop being so divisionist. Stop pointing fingers at everyone else, and point them at yourself"? Trump is on people like you, and somewhat on people like me.

[rustled]

We're seeing a lot of what Trevor Phillips recognized he'd been a part of creating. He realized why there's a growing tidal wave of dislike for the "liberal metropolitan elite", and he understands what we are seeing now are the consequences of liberal metropolitan elitist snobbery and superiority he helped create.

The pumpkin spice latte you're not going to buy because you're sticking it to Trump via Starbucks? That's not going to reduce the divisionism promoted by the liberal metropolitan elite. Continuing to make it all about "the stupidity of the right" only feeds the tidal wave.

If Trevor Phillip can see this, can actually talk about it, one wonders: why can't those on the left bring themselves to take a moment and listen? Perhaps because they want to cling to their beliefs about themselves. I think Phillips is right when he says "but It's not about what we want to believe, it's about what's true."

It took a tsunami of dislike to get Trump elected, and other than the few brave and brutally honest souls like Phillips and Tom Walker (aka Jonathan Pie), the left's solution is to boycott Starbucks and keep talking down their noses on forums and award shows and wherever else they can find a soapbox.

[JLives]

We're seeing a lot of what Trevor Phillips recognized he'd been a part of creating. He realized why there's a growing tidal wave of dislike for the "liberal metropolitan elite", and he understands what we are seeing now are the consequences of liberal metropolitan elitist snobbery and superiority he helped create.

What we're seeing is a temporary rise in wilfull ignorance and anti-intellectualism. This too shall pass.

[Verum]

Yes, if the left boycott Starbucks over this, they are idiots. There are plenty of other reasons, such as bad coffee at stupid prices.

The right can react however they want to to the left, and when that happens, they are to blame for their actions. If my fictitious husband annoys me, tells me other women are attractive, and I stab him in his sleep, I can't go claiming that it was his fault. That would be moronic. But this constant blaming of the left for the behaviour of the right is basically a form of abuse.

As bad as the left is, and it's bad, when did you last see mainstream leftist blaming the right for the mainstream left's behaviour? Yes, extremist leftists such as anti-fa are bad, but their excuses are basically no different to many mainstream rightists and that is the problem. The mainstream right has abandoned the principles which made sense in favour of emotionally driven bile and dodging of responsibility.

[JLives]

Yes, if the left boycott Starbucks over this, they are idiots. There are plenty of other reasons, such as bad coffee at stupid prices.

The right can react however they want to to the left, and when that happens, they are to blame for their actions. If my fictitious husband annoys me, tells me other women are attractive, and I stab him in his sleep, I can't go claiming that it was his fault. That would be moronic. But this constant blaming of the left for the behaviour of the right is basically a form of abuse.

As bad as the left is, and it's bad, when did you last see mainstream leftist blaming the right for the mainstream left's behaviour? Yes, extremist leftists such as anti-fa are bad, but their excuses are basically no different to many mainstream rightists and that is the problem. The mainstream right has abandoned the principles which made sense in favour of emotionally driven bile and dodging of responsibility.

I find it annoying to group everyone into left vs right to begin with. I don't follow any doctrine of any group. That is what promotes division. I have different opinions on different issues. As I'm sure most do when you actually talk to them.

[Verum]

We're seeing a lot of what Trevor Phillips recognized he'd been a part of creating. He realized why there's a growing tidal wave of dislike for the "liberal metropolitan elite", and he understands what we are seeing now are the consequences of liberal metropolitan elitist snobbery and superiority he helped create.

What we're seeing is a temporary rise in wilfull ignorance and anti-intellectualism. This too shall pass.

I hope it is temporary, but people have been making similar claims for a long time. I suspect that anti-intellectualism is just the norm.