Fake news? Look to the right

[Poindexter]

Oh ya the leftist fact checker....Ok

Are there any other kinds?

[Ka-El]

Oh ya the leftist fact checker....Ok

Are there any other kinds?

If Trump didn't tweet it, it can't be true.

[averagejoe]

Oh ya the leftist fact checker....Ok

Are there any other kinds?

Your absolutely right pointy! The media owners would never allow that!

Fact checkers only work for the left. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out....

Only Fox is the only main steam media that is allowed to voice conservative view point.

But then again Fox is owned by the same people.....

[Verum]

Oh ya the leftist fact checker....Ok

You could have checked with snopes while your at it....

Yes, Snopes is also a good fact checker. But facts aren't biased, politically left, etc. they're just facts. Just because you don't like the facts doesn't mean that we can dismiss them as biased. Actually, you can dismiss facts as being irrelevant, if that's what you wish to do, but most of us still want to live in a world where facts are more important than what people want to believe. If that makes me a leftist in your strange definition of the term, so be it.

[happylada]

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Hannity jumped the gun, but it was a LOGICAL first reaction

It's only "logical" in the eyes of those whose bias it fits with. To everyone else it is not logical, but an emotion driven response somewhat driven by the desire to get out a message with the narrative one wants to push. Rationalising something as "logical" because it fits with what you want to be true is not logical at all but a defence mechanism to avoid admitting you're wrong.

...

SO cut Hannity some slack - he had no way of knowing this was about a long standing feud.

No, when he pushes his emotion and ignorance fuelled narrative, I will not cut him or anyone peddling his nonsense any slack whatsoever.
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BUT you utterly ignore Democrats doing the same thing. I see. NO bigotry here.

"His overhasty reaction was no worse than so many made by the "fake news" folk, which they have to walk back. At least he didn't dump the stock market like ANOTHER hasty conclusion by a lame-stream pundit.

That's simple whataboutery. Others making mistakes is no excuse for people like Hannity making unsupported claims, especially so as he has to know what he is doing and that it is intentionally misleading his followers.""

That is patently false. HOW could he know any more the Reuters? At least PRETEND to be rational.

But I note a complete pass on the Reuters guy, Rob Cox - as you said - if it supports our bias, its OK. NOT rational, but OK. WHY you would hold Hannity to a higher standard than a Reuters senior correspondent shows YOUR bias plainly. Not rationally, but plainly.

Why are so many on the left so experienced in blatant hypocrisy?

[averagejoe]

If that makes me a leftist in your strange definition of the term, so be it.

Your poor choice. But if that's your choice. Fill your boots.

[Verum]

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Hannity jumped the gun, but it was a LOGICAL first reaction

It's only "logical" in the eyes of those whose bias it fits with. To everyone else it is not logical, but an emotion driven response somewhat driven by the desire to get out a message with the narrative one wants to push. Rationalising something as "logical" because it fits with what you want to be true is not logical at all but a defence mechanism to avoid admitting you're wrong.

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SO cut Hannity some slack - he had no way of knowing this was about a long standing feud.

No, when he pushes his emotion and ignorance fuelled narrative, I will not cut him or anyone peddling his nonsense any slack whatsoever.

BUT you utterly ignore Democrats doing the same thing. I see. NO bigotry here.

News should not be partisan. Either way, I will not condone any journalist or news media pundit who repeatedly states his opinion or desired state of affairs as if true or factual without proper supporting evidence. Someone shooting up a newspaper doesn't scream leftist (or rightist) to any fair minded and sensible individual

"His overhasty reaction was no worse than so many made by the "fake news" folk, which they have to walk back. At least he didn't dump the stock market like ANOTHER hasty conclusion by a lame-stream pundit.

Did that said pundit do so intentionally? It is highly doubtful. If any pundit is repeatedly making claims as true with no good reason to believe them, then I will happily condemn them too. That said, wiping some dollars off a few accounts v. furthering the divide between the right and the left, it's a hard call to say which is worse.

That's simple whataboutery. Others making mistakes is no excuse for people like Hannity making unsupported claims, especially so as he has to know what he is doing and that it is intentionally misleading his followers.

That is patently false. HOW could he know any more the Reuters? At least PRETEND to be rational.

Actually, it doesn't matter what he knows, what matters is what he doesn't know. If I don't know that the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West, making a claim that it rises and sets in a random place every day is still a lie and no less so than if I actually knew the truth. Simply put, being ignorant is no excuse for intentionally spreading same to others.

But I note a complete pass on the Reuters guy, Rob Cox - as you said - if it supports our bias, its OK. NOT rational, but OK. WHY you would hold Hannity to a higher standard than a Reuters senior correspondent shows YOUR bias plainly. Not rationally, but plainly.

Actually, I don't give any media pundit who lies to their public a pass. Just because I don't know or care about all the details with all of the people involved doesn't change that. If I ever see Joe Lynam (BBC news pundit on economics) telling a lie, I'll call him out on it too and tear him a new one. I actually hold those I trust to much higher standards than I hold those I don't.

Why are so many on the left so experienced in blatant hypocrisy?

You might want to open your eyes a little and try to leave the echo chamber in which you clearly live. The left and the right are largely the same. They both have their hypocrites. No large enough group is immune.

[averagejoe]

Right wing organization “project veritas” seeks to plant fake news to attempt to discredit real news.

Discredit this....

cnn caught redhanded!!!!!



Project Veritas starts dropping massive CNN exposé claiming to uncover ‘anti-Trump CRUSADE’

Project Veritas has dropped what it claims is a bombshell expose on CNN, including secret recordings of staff at editorial meetings which reveal an “anti-Trump crusade” and "bias” at the highest levels.

In the first clip uploaded by PV, a person who is allegedly CNN President Jeff Zucker tells a staff meeting that he wants them to "stay very focused" on President Donald Trump's possible impeachment.

The video also shows Nick Neville, a media coordinator at CNN saying that Zucker has a "personal vendetta" against Trump.

In the hours before the release, PV released a clip of Zucker talking about the forthcoming leaks on the 9AM morning call, confirming that their source is still "on the inside."

The whistleblower turned out to be Cary Poarch, a satellite uplink technician and contractor at CNN Washington DC bureau whose identity was unknown until now. Poarch said he began to record staff meetings at the network because he “didn’t see any other option.” He decided to wear a hidden camera “to expose the bias.”

The conservative watchdog group had forewarned of the leaks days ago, counting down with teasers and snippets posted on social media.

O’Keefe had stressed that the whistleblower is not one of PV’s undercover reporters, but one of Zucker’s own employees. In the clip, Poarch says his role at CNN was a "dream job" that turned into a “nightmare.”

In one recording, Zucker says he knows “a lot of people” at CNN are friendly with Republican senator Lindsey Graham, but warns that it's “time to knock that off” and “time to call him out.” Zucker blames “years of fake news” and “conspiracy nonsense” from Fox News for the climate of division in the US. Poarch says the description sounded awfully like what CNN itself was doing.

https://www.rt.com/usa/470917-project-v ... xpose-cnn/

[Jonrox]

I'm thinking these folks don't watch CNN if they think it's earth-shattering news that CNN is on an anti-Trump crusade. Just watch their evening lineup and as things move from Anderson Cooper to Chris Cuomo to Don Lemon, the shows become more opinionated and have a more anti-Trump feel.

However, simply reporting actual facts can result in what appears to be anti-Trump stories and opinions.

Also, it's not fake news in the same way that the Fox opinion news folks aren't fake news. They're basically just opinion shows and those shows don't really have the same obligation to report the actual news like an actual news show does... that's not what they are or what they're trying to be.

Holding opinion shows to the standard of actual news reporting just doesn't make sense.

Lastly, doesn't it make sense for a news network to stay focused on impeachment hearings? The story is huge with massive global implications. There aren't a lot of stories bigger than this right now.

[Gilchy]

Wouldn't "Fake News" imply artificial stories (like Obama being born outside of the USA) rather than editorial direction and focus?

[Ka-El]

Holding opinion shows to the standard of actual news reporting just doesn't make sense.

Neither does only going to heavily biased blog sites and then purporting disinformation
and extremist opinion to be actual news. Ah, the unfettered life of a basement dweller.

[Jonrox]

A lot of folks have a tough time distinguishing Op/Ed from news. Just because something is on CNN or Fox News it isn't necessarily news. And just because somebody hosts a program on those channels it doesn't make them newscasters or jounalists either.

I don't watch Tucker Carlson or Don Lemon to get an objective view of the day's events. Those guys are entertainers... not serious journalists. To hold them to a higher standard than any other entertainer is kind of silly.

Both of those channels do have newspeople though and it's interesting that Shep Smith stepped down from Fox News. He was an actual journalist and endured a lot of criticism over his reporting of the news, but reportedly just couldn't deal with the opinion hosts on the channel any longer. His ratings were also lower than them... likely because his reporting of the actual news was uncomfortable for traditional Fox News viewers to watch. Those folks don't handle the truth very well and it showed.

[cyruslosco66]

No charges coming in Trump and Barrs unmasking probe . Deemed rightwing fake news .

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/politics ... index.html

[Mazdatruck]

Fox News should change it's slogan to: "Russian troll approved" .

RUSSIAN TROLLS USE FOX NEWS'S SEAN HANNITY TO UNDERMINE MUELLER'S TRUMP PROBE, REPORT SAYS

Hannity's website has ranked among the top domains shared by a network of Kremlin-associated Twitter accounts in recent weeks, Mother Jones reported, using data from the Hamilton 68 dashboard compiled by the nonpartisan Alliance for Securing Democracy.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.newsweek. ... 28%3famp=1

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1619029772977455105

Hamilton 68 was 100% propaganda.

Created by the ASD advisory council. Ran by neoconservative writer Bill Kristol, former Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, ex-Hillary for America chief John Podesta, and former heads or deputy heads of the CIA, NSA, and the Department of Homeland Security.

Twitter executives and engineers hacked Hamilton 68's "secret list of Russian accounts" and found out they were all regular American, Canadian and British citizens that held views that went against the Democratic Party. Twitter was trying to expose Hamilton 68 and call them out but Government liaisons pulled Twitters leash and didn't let them.

Hamilton 68 was the source for THOUSANDS of "Russia is controlling Trump" news stories for years, which are now all 100% based on 100% cow fertilizer.

Regular ordinary people were secretly deemed Russian.

Twitter knew, told to keep quiet.

[m20]

Been a couple weeks since Rupert Murdoch testified telling us what we all knew, "Fox lies for profit". Posting Stephen Colbert' for our entertainment. Worth noting Fox News itself is not covering their Dominion Voting lawsuit.