Fallout from parkland shootings

Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Jhunter199 » Feb 24th, 2018, 9:54 pm

Bigjohn69 wrote:(CNN) - A Republican congressman from Florida announced his support for a ban on assault weapon sales Friday in an op-ed in The New York Times.

http://cnn.it/2CkDWeY


week after one of the deadliest mass shootings in modern US history, Florida Gov. Rick Scott announced a comprehensive plan to keep students safe in his state, including suggestions to raise the minimum age to buy a gun, keep weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill and ban the sale of bump stocks.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/us/flori ... index.html


I truly believe Rick Scott is digging his own political grave. No one has ever been or in the future will ever be successful (IMO) with gun control in the South and Northern Flordia. Their beliefs are so deep and instilled frompast generations that they just will not give it up EVER.

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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 24th, 2018, 11:10 pm

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NRA is the oldest civil rights group in the world. Are you against civil rights ? I have deep rooted personal reasons for supporting the NRA. They stand for freedom and justice. What do you stand for.
Personally i feel good supporting a group that stands for freedom. People say to put your money where your mouth is. I did and do.

The North American gun owner is the last stand against tyranny. Any government that wants to disarm its population is a bad government.

Like Tariq Aziz said prior to the second invasion of iraq. A rifle behind every blade of grass.

We need to build a strong society and nation. Shooting good is part of it.

Why do u support gun grabbing clown socialists ?


I am a gun owning hunter. My bolt action rifle is extremely powerful, but would be next to useless should the government become oppressive and tyrannical. The government will never fear individual gun owners, no matter how well equipped. Imagining otherwise is simply delusional. Canada’s gun laws seem relatively reasonable to me, where the are progressive limitations to different classes of firearms. The NRA today is simply a trade group representing manufacturers who have a vested interested in pushing this fear of the government coming for our guns.

Even the 2A references a “well-regulated militia”.


Well regulated militia. Not to be infringed. Lets at least look at it as its written.
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 24th, 2018, 11:15 pm

No matter how big the government is. It will never be big enuff to protect everyone. Therefore we all need to be prepared to defend our self. Especially in light of government failure. Personally i wont be waiting for someone to tell me that its ok to defend myself. Ill just do it and face the music as required . U will likely be carried by 6 rather than judged by 12. Nothing wrong with that
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Gilchy » Feb 25th, 2018, 8:07 am

Jflem1983 wrote:No matter how big the government is. It will never be big enuff to protect everyone. Therefore we all need to be prepared to defend our self. Especially in light of government failure. Personally i wont be waiting for someone to tell me that its ok to defend myself. Ill just do it and face the music as required . U will likely be carried by 6 rather than judged by 12. Nothing wrong with that


So now the goalpost is not protecting yourself from government, but because the government will be so overwhelmed they can’t. This Wild West fantasy is a poor excuse.

I amend my original question- as a Canadian, what do you get from the NRA?

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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 25th, 2018, 8:12 am

Gilchy wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:No matter how big the government is. It will never be big enuff to protect everyone. Therefore we all need to be prepared to defend our self. Especially in light of government failure. Personally i wont be waiting for someone to tell me that its ok to defend myself. Ill just do it and face the music as required . U will likely be carried by 6 rather than judged by 12. Nothing wrong with that


So now the goalpost is not protecting yourself from government, but because the government will be so overwhelmed they can’t. This Wild West fantasy is a poor excuse.

I amend my original question- as a Canadian, what do you get from the NRA?




The satisfaction of knowing i am contributing to the well being of millions . Why do u feel the need to call down on the NRA. What did they do to u.

As for government being unable to protect. 39 times the sherriff went to the Cruz home. Still Cruz apparently killed 17 people. U want that sherriff protecting your kids
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Ka-El » Feb 25th, 2018, 9:23 am

Jflem1983 wrote:
Gilchy wrote: I amend my original question- as a Canadian, what do you get from the NRA?

The satisfaction of knowing i am contributing to the well being of millions .

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One of the many ironies of the gun regulation debate is that gun industry operatives (NRA) and their unpaid brigade of gun zealots commonly refer to the majority of American citizens (those who polls show as favoring mild gun regulation measures) as "enemies of the Second Amendment." The sooner the NRA is disbanded, the better for the well-being of millions.

The original intent and purpose of the Second Amendment was to preserve and guarantee, not grant, the pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment was seen as the last defense against tyranny from government, not a measure for citizens to take the law into their own hands. The right to keep and bear arms is a doomsday provision to be used as a last resort when all other rights fail. The founders saw firearm ownership as so necessary that they enumerated this right second in the Bill of Rights, immediately after defining the right to free speech.

“However, if good government actually came from a violent, armed population, then Afghanistan and Somalia would be the two best-governed places on earth.”

As we have seen from the many shootings in the US, the consequences for democracy of guns in private hands, without reasonable regulation (and that is all people are asking for), can be dire and has already resulted in a society where a member of Congress cannot meet constituents without suffering traumatic brain injury, and where a federal judge cannot stop by a meeting on his way back from Mass without being shot dead, and where children are regularly being slaughtered by mentally disturbed people who have no business being able to acquire assault rifles.

The history and meaning of the Second Amendment are a murky subject. A fair reading of the entire text of the Constitution suggests that the most prominent concern of the its framers was protecting states' control of their militias. Under Article I § 8 of the Constitution, the states transferred to Congress the power "to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel Invasions" and "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia." This was one of the most radical features of the original Constitution; under the Articles of Confederation, states had complete control of their militias. Opponents of ratification suggested that the new federal government might proceed to disarm and dissolve the state militias and create instead a national standing army. The Second Amendment most clearly addresses that concern; and that has led a number of historians to suggest that the Amendment really has no relation to any personal right of individuals to "keep and bear arms."


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https://www.theatlantic.com/national/ar ... nt/241298/

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/10/07/s ... esh-dsouza
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby mexi cali » Feb 25th, 2018, 9:24 am

But what it does point out is arming teachers is not going to prevent anything and could end up with teachers getting shot if they are running around with guns in a emergency situation . Teachers are getting shot running around by people with guns. I would rather have access to a weapon, a means to an end if you will, in a situation where someone is shooting in my direction or at others.

Another thing is we do not know yet what procedure they use there for shooting scenes . We do not know if it is rush in or wait for swat team to show up . It is all just guessing until they release a report which they are working on. In some cases, you are required to wait for backup. I would think though that in this case, an obvious shooting event in which the only lives being lost are innocent lives, as a trained police officer, your instinct shoul dbe to try and neutralize the situation and to try to minimize casualties. I am sure that the officer(s) in question were scared of what they knew to be happening but they should have agreed on a plan and done something.
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 25th, 2018, 9:25 am

The supreme court disagrees with the opinion you posted.
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Bigjohn69 » Feb 26th, 2018, 12:10 pm

The Broward County Sheriff's Office, or BSO, "trains its officers that in the event of outdoor gunfire one is to seek cover and assess the situation in order to communicate what one observes to other law enforcement," DiRuzzo said.


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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 26th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Bigjohn69 wrote:The Broward County Sheriff's Office, or BSO, "trains its officers that in the event of outdoor gunfire one is to seek cover and assess the situation in order to communicate what one observes to other law enforcement," DiRuzzo said.


http://cnn.it/2GNi4XM


So do nothing and wait for real cops to get there.
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Bigjohn69 » Feb 26th, 2018, 6:02 pm

As I opened the CT scan last week to read the next case, I was baffled. The history simply read “gunshot wound.” I have been a radiologist in one of the busiest trauma centers in the United States for 13 years, and have diagnosed thousands of handgun injuries to the brain, lung, liver, spleen, bowel, and other vital organs. I thought that I knew all that I needed to know about gunshot wounds, but the specific pattern of injury on my computer screen was one that I had seen only once before.


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Article on the wounds from parkland
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Nooby » Feb 26th, 2018, 6:12 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-bu ... d=53362605

"Trump called the behavior of the officer who stayed outside and did not go into the school during the shooting "disgusting" and said he would have gone into the school even if he didn't have a gun.

You know I really believe, you don't know until you're tested, but I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon and I think most of the people in this room would've done that too," he said."

Sure you would, Donald. :cuss:
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Omnitheo » Feb 26th, 2018, 6:16 pm

Just like he ran into Vietnam. Oh wait, he ran the other way.
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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Ka-El » Feb 26th, 2018, 8:06 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Just like he ran into Vietnam. Oh wait, he ran the other way.

Selective service records Donald Trump didn't want anyone to see show he dodged the Vietnam War due to a medical deferment, not a high draft number as he has claimed.

The records indicate Trump was granted a series of student deferments before graduating from college, and then was deemed physically unacceptable for military service after he graduated.

The Selective Service records were released with a copy of the registration card Trump signed in June 1964, revealing that in addition to weird hair, he has birthmarks on both his heels.

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Re: Fallout from parkland shootings

Postby Bigjohn69 » Feb 26th, 2018, 8:55 pm

Delta police are asking parents to talk to their kids about replica guns and safety after a student with a pellet gun led to a partial school lockdown Monday afternoon.


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