Attacking Syria

[JagXKR]

This whole mess wreaks of the typical propaganda that fighting in the Middle East is known for. Anyone remember the Iraq war (one or two?) with the bombed building and the the sign outside? It said "Baby Milk" in ENGLISH! And the media bought it hook line and sinker. It was a weapons facility but Iraq understood how utterly stupid the media really is and put Baby Milk on this sign.
Or the Palestinian smuggling tunnel, again...wait for it.....Baby Milk! Playing us like fools because that is how you try and win a war, subvert the enemy by misinformation. And they are very good at it.
The people who bought this load of garbage are allowed to vote! That is the incredibly scary thing. No real understanding that there is NO English signs in a tiny Iraqi town, but they are so stupid they were in an uproar. How dare they bomb a Baby Milk factory.
So stupid.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=palestin ... 5oO6zYWH4M:

[vinnied]

Yes it can, especially if it's cold but did you not see the powder that was sprayed into the boys eyes? Or did you just decide to ignore that part? Someone sprays ANY powder into my eyes and they are going to get beet red.

no I did not see the powder, i did however see vapour from an inhaler.

Here's the thing with this chemical attack. Assad has a very bad track record of using chemicals in his fight for power. Some on here believe its all propaganda, and he handed over, all his chemicals in 2013 and they were destroyed . However, I have provided links directly from the United Nations, with supporting documents proving he has used them since. Yet this just gets ignored. And don't get me wrong, Those documents also show, hes not the only one using them, but he is definitely using them. And that is a proven fact.

Perhaps if Russia and syria both had just lived up to the UN resolution that was made regarding his chemical weapons arsenal, There would be no doubt that he was innocent. But no, once again they have to send in a special team and put them in harm's way, just to find out the truth.
Anyway, I look forward to the final report.

[JagXKR]

What was in the inhaler? We don't know. Look closely at the video and you see that the boys eyes are white, with no redness. It is all around the eyes that is red. Exactly as if cold water was poured on him. The whites of his eyes shows NO red. None. If there was some sort of chemical attack the whites would be blistering red.
I do not believe anything I see from the Middle East war zones. They are trying to sway governments to send missiles to their enemies with lies. This has been the way of ALL of the conflicts over there. We get sucked in and later find we've been duped. Well, most got duped because they are stupid. Every time we get involved with primitive cultures with primitive superstitions and primitive religions we get burned. Then, when we get rid of the "dictators", we end up with massive chaos and the rise of terrorist organizations. We make it worse in the name of democracy. And we keep doing it. Insanity, same thing over and over expecting a different result.
Tribal, religious, cultural, etc conflicts going back centuries will continue to keep those regions warring for the rest of my life, and that will be many more decades.

[Passion4Truth]

Here's the thing with this chemical attack. Assad has a very bad track record of using chemicals in his fight for power. Some on here believe its all propaganda, and he handed over, all his chemicals in 2013 and they were destroyed . However, I have provided links directly from the United Nations, with supporting documents proving he has used them since. Yet this just gets ignored. And don't get me wrong, Those documents also show, hes not the only one using them, but he is definitely using them. And that is a proven fact.

What evidence and proof are you referring to that makes it a fact that Assad is using chemical weapons?

[Fancy]

Damascus attacks come to mind.

[vinnied]

What evidence and proof are you referring to that makes it a fact that Assad is using chemical weapons?

well this is just one of many. you can go thru the links I posted on page 5 if your actually interested.

46. With respect to identifying those responsible, the Leadership Panel has
determined that the information that it has obtained constitutes sufficient credible
and reliable evidence of the following:
(a) Aircraft dropped munitions over Khan Shaykhun between 0630 and 0700
hours on 4 April 2017;
(b) An aircraft of the Syrian Arab Republic was in the immediate vicinit y of
Khan Shaykhun between 0630 and 0700 hours on 4 April 2017;
(c) The crater from which the sarin emanated was created on the morning of
4 April 2017;
(d) The crater was caused by the impact of an aerial bomb travelling at high
velocity;
(e) A large number of people were affected by sarin between 0630 and 0700
hours on the morning of 4 April 2017;
(f) The number of persons affected by the release of sarin on 4 April 2017,
and the fact that sarin reportedly continued to be present at the site of the cr ater
10 days after the incident, indicate that a large amount of sarin was likely released,
which is consistent with its being dispersed through a chemical aerial bomb;
(g) The symptoms of victims and their medical treatment, as well as the
scale of the incident, are consistent with a large-scale intoxication of sarin;
(h) The sarin identified in the samples taken from Khan Shaykhun was found
to have most likely been made with a precursor (DF) from the original stockpile of
the Syrian Arab Republic;
(i) The irregularities described in annex II are not of such a nature as to call
into question the aforementioned findings.
On the basis of the foregoing, the Leadership Panel is confident that the Syrian Arab
Republic is responsible for the release of sarin at Khan Shaykhun on 4 April 2017.
The findings of the Leadership Panel regarding the evidence in this case are based
on the information set forth in detail in annex II.

[vinnied]

"did you not see the powder that was sprayed into the boys eyes? Or did you just decide to ignore that part? Someone sprays ANY powder into my eyes and they are going to get beet red."

"What was in the inhaler? We don't know. Look closely at the video and you see that the boys eyes are white, with no redness. It is all around the eyes that is red. Exactly as if cold water was poured on him. The whites of his eyes shows NO red. None. If there was some sort of chemical attack the whites would be blistering red."

Man you folks are grasping at straws. I take it your an expert on chemical warfare?
How about consider, for just a second, that there was in fact a chemical attack in Douma, and maybe that's why the boys eyes were red. But nope...its cold water.. no, powder in the eyes...something in the inhaler...something in the water.
You know I have to ask. Why even mention the red eyes?
Russian troops blocked off all access to that site for no less than 10 days to do whatever they wanted there. If there was no attack what the hell was the point of that? Then they take the media thru with no problem, soon as the inspectors try to go, they take gun fire. Give me a break.

[JagXKR]

Man you folks are grasping at straws. I take it your an expert on chemical warfare?
Are you? You seem to be an expert on this whole thread.

How about consider, for just a second, that there was in fact a chemical attack in Douma, and maybe that's why the boys eyes were red. But nope...its cold water.. no, powder in the eyes...something in the inhaler...something in the water.
Never said there wasn't. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying he wasn't gassed. Maybe they cleansed him as a preventative measure. That is at least believable.

You know I have to ask. Why even mention the red eyes?
Because they are not red. Are you blind? Bad internet connection and can't ramp up the resolution to see pure white eyes but redness on the face?

Russian troops blocked off all access to that site for no less than 10 days to do whatever they wanted there. If there was no attack what the hell was the point of that? Then they take the media thru with no problem, soon as the inspectors try to go, they take gun fire.
Maybe that's why they didn't allow them in in the first place. Too dangerous. War does not stop for you when you want it.

Give me a break.
You first

[vinnied]

Man you folks are grasping at straws. I take it your an expert on chemical warfare?
Are you? You seem to be an expert on this whole thread.
not at all. I just know Assad is a unruthly ruler that doesn't have a problem killing his own people with chemical weapons for his own personal gain. Something others on here just don't see. Just trying to open some eyes

How about consider, for just a second, that there was in fact a chemical attack in Douma, and maybe that's why the boys eyes were red. But nope...its cold water.. no, powder in the eyes...something in the inhaler...something in the water.
Never said there wasn't. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying he wasn't gassed. Maybe they cleansed him as a preventative measure. That is at least believable.
Okay just so I understand this correctly, your NOT saying that there wasn't a chemical attack. But you are saying he wasn't gassed? Well at least that's a start.

You know I have to ask. Why even mention the red eyes?
Because they are not red. Are you blind? Bad internet connection and can't ramp up the resolution to see pure white eyes but redness on the face?
No I'm not blind.
In the original video published by the RT network, the father of the child claimed the child "eyes" were red. Its not really a 1080 or 720 video, so not sure how your ramping up the resolution, but I'm not about to investigate every pixel to prove it one way or the other


Russian troops blocked off all access to that site for no less than 10 days to do whatever they wanted there. If there was no attack what the hell was the point of that? Then they take the media thru with no problem, soon as the inspectors try to go, they take gun fire.
Maybe that's why they didn't allow them in in the first place. Too dangerous. War does not stop for you when you want it. Or just maybe they were keeping everyone out in order to hide all the evidence over the course of the 10 days. Given Assads track record, more likely

Give me a break.
You first

sure. Take 10

[Necro]

Russian troops blocked off all access to that site for no less than 10 days to do whatever they wanted there.

When one makes makes a claim is it usually substantiated with proof verifying said claim. I haven't seen you provide proof of this claim. I hope you're not citing AP as your source, because that would be embarrassing.

From OPCW's website;

The security for the sites where the FFM plans to deploy was under the control of the Russian Military Police. The United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) has made the necessary arrangements with the Syrian authorities to escort the team to a certain point and then for the escort to be taken over by the Russian Military Police. However, the UNDSS preferred to first conduct a reconnaissance visit to the sites, which took place yesterday. FFM team members did not participate in this visit.

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/ ... g02_e_.pdf

You say OPCW was kept from the site of the alleged CW attack yet for some reason you gloss over proof to the contrary. The UNDSS was given access, they were not impeded from entry. This is fact substantiated by OPCW's website and media release.

Prove them wrong.

[capleton]

Why would Assad use chemical weapons when he is winning the war? The act of using those weapons is a desperate thing to do and only militants are desperate enough to use them.

[Passion4Truth]

No attack, no victims, no chem weapons: Douma witnesses speak at OPCW briefing

[generalposter]

And as long as no one steps up to stop him, he will continue to use them. He thinks as long as Russia is his protector he can do what he wants. well not so apparently

Lol sounds word for word like the meeting before invasion of Iraq.

They blew up the country on false pretense.

And failed to find any evidence.

Millions of people died.

Yes let's support them as they do it again next door.

Millions died where? In your head? Perhaps you meant to say Millennials died. Check your facts.