Child death raises questions

Child death raises questions

Postby LolaB » Dec 16th, 2018, 10:25 am

Castanet is spreading lies again! This girl did not have anything to drink or eat days prior entering USA so it was her own father who put his child (if she is actually his) into a very dangerous situation by his negligence. If you would chose to drag your young child over the hundreds of miles through the physically challenging environments in an extreme heat it is YOUR responsibility to protect your child. WHY we always point fingers at US for wrong doings? Should they simply go to Nicaragua, Honduras and other countries and fly the people for free to USA to gain their access to the new country of their desire? Do they think (news makers) that we all fell from 20 feet head first down to a concrete road? Are we that stupid to blame US for any negligence? They accepted the family and as we can see there were thousands and thousands of people going through the super long border between Mexico, California and Texas so how in this world the guards should be providing a special medical evaluation for every single "refugee"/law breaker (illegal means breaking the law!) when they are overwhelmed by sheer amounts of other law breakers. Many of them are proven rapists, drug dealers and other criminals but we fail to notice that and concentrate on *bleep* from the media. Remember the photo of a little girl standing by the president Trump on the Time's cover???? It was clearly and simply proven as fabricated lie but everyone jumps on that same lying wagon so willingly. I urge the people to please shut up before you do a proper research ... spreading such lies creates HATE and HATE creates TROUBLE. So Castanet news makers please for once be a decent news company and stop adding to that hate trend which makes us divided and weak. So not right for our humanity!

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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby Omnitheo » Dec 16th, 2018, 10:48 am

What lies?
https://www.castanet.net/news/World/244 ... -questions

Please before you continue your rant again, point out the actual falsehoods in the story.

You go on to say stuff like “many of them are proven rapists”
So where is your proof? Honestly I’m not sure why you would parrot Trump in his baseless accusations. You know he is under multiple investigations right? Probably not the most trustworthy person to get your information from.

There is more than just a lack of food which likely lead to the girl’s condition, as the border guards initially reported her condition as well. But then we know how they’ve been treating people at the border...

[img]There is some information into what happened. The child reportedly had a temperature of 105.7 degrees before she was transferred via helicopter to a hospital, where she went into cardiac arrest and was revived. “However,” CBP said in a statement, “the child did not recover and died at the hospital less than 24 hours after being transported.”

But what CBP hasn’t said is what exactly happened between the time she was first detained, on the night of Dec. 12, and when she began having seizures, at 6:25 AM the next day. What CBP also hasn’t confirmed is where exactly she was being held when her condition rapidly declined. What is known is that the facilities where migrants are initially held by border agents—hieleras, literally “iceboxes” for being so cold—are horror shows and no place for any human being, regardless of age.

These facilities, America’s Voice says, “are wretched places. Freezing temperatures, no beds, lights left on, no showers, not enough toilets or toilet paper, filthy conditions, horrible smell, inedible food and not enough clean water to drink, and run by insulting and abusive agents. Front line workers report that most of those released from these CBP facilities are dazed, sick and hungry.”[/img]

There’s also the other ongoing thing with the border crisis...
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2018/12/ ... US-custody

The Trump administration has a record number of migrant children in detention all across the U.S., nearly all of them minors who came to the U.S. by themselves. Many of these kids could be released to potential sponsors, but immigration officials have instead been arresting them.

Then there’s a smaller group of children detained by officials who aren’t unaccompanied minors at all, but in fact kids who were stolen from families under the “zero tolerance” policy. They’re supposed to be back with their families, following a court order. But 141 days past that federal judge’s deadline, over 170 of these kids continue to remain separated.

Of this overall group of children, 102 have parents “presently departed from the United States whose intent not to reunify has been confirmed by the ACLU.” But many parents have said they “were coerced into signing deportation forms after being falsely told by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers that it was the only way to reunite with their children.”

Another eight of the kids are “not ‘eligible’ to reunite,” with a court filing stating that for four of those parents, the “Steering Committee has advised that resolution will be delayed.” But in some instances, organization leaders have had to do the job of incompetent Trump officials and navigate “treacherous roads, distrustful communities and remote villages” to try to locate parents that were carelessly deported. “Resolution will be delayed”? More like, “permanent separation.”


Are you sure that cheering for a regime that separates families, locks children in cages and lets them die under their “protection” is really being on the right side of history?
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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby Ka-El » Dec 16th, 2018, 12:24 pm

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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby Mark5 » Dec 16th, 2018, 2:41 pm

LolaB wrote:Castanet is spreading lies again! This girl did not have anything to drink or eat days prior entering USA so it was her own father who put his child (if she is actually his) into a very dangerous situation by his negligence. If you would chose to drag your young child over the hundreds of miles through the physically challenging environments in an extreme heat it is YOUR responsibility to protect your child. WHY we always point fingers at US for wrong doings? Should they simply go to Nicaragua, Honduras and other countries and fly the people for free to USA to gain their access to the new country of their desire? Do they think (news makers) that we all fell from 20 feet head first down to a concrete road? Are we that stupid to blame US for any negligence? They accepted the family and as we can see there were thousands and thousands of people going through the super long border between Mexico, California and Texas so how in this world the guards should be providing a special medical evaluation for every single "refugee"/law breaker (illegal means breaking the law!) when they are overwhelmed by sheer amounts of other law breakers. Many of them are proven rapists, drug dealers and other criminals but we fail to notice that and concentrate on *bleep* from the media. Remember the photo of a little girl standing by the president Trump on the Time's cover???? It was clearly and simply proven as fabricated lie but everyone jumps on that same lying wagon so willingly. I urge the people to please shut up before you do a proper research ... spreading such lies creates HATE and HATE creates TROUBLE. So Castanet news makers please for once be a decent news company and stop adding to that hate trend which makes us divided and weak. So not right for our humanity!


Like most "news" organizations in Canada, Castanet gets it news from the Canadian press which in turn gets it stories from the Associated press. They are a cabal of liberals who spin stories along political lines in order to persuade and influence us to follow their ideology. They also stonewall and suppress and censor other stories that do not fit this ideology. The public is manipulated this way and only sees the world through this lens. Through the years we were often warned to never believe anything you read in the newspaper . But many people did and they do to this very day. The entire media is guilty of this. The media has great influence on us all. They also like to sensationalize everything because it sells copy and they make more money. Nothing like a good controversy or fight to get people to read or watch their programs so they can tell their advertisers that they earn lots of money for them and themselves. The greater they can whip people up the better. Politics is a great "news" maker for them. The politicians can and do exploit this to their benefit. I don`t really blame Castanet because this what they all do. Many people do not even know they are being manipulated. But now we have the internet and independent reporters who can cut through all of this noise and see what is really happening. Of course the mainstream media doesn`t like this challenge to their authourity and cabal and so they attack, stonewall, discredit and mock them and even deny them to events every chance they get. They must maintain their narrative or risk being exposed. I urge readers to remember all of this when they get their information from this cabal called the mainstream media. They have already influenced many people with their fabrications, exaggerations and sometimes lies. It is not easy to see the truth any more but it is still possible.

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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby Omnitheo » Dec 16th, 2018, 5:26 pm

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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby OKkayak » Dec 16th, 2018, 6:00 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Are you sure that cheering for a regime that separates families, locks children in cages and lets them die under their “protection” is really being on the right side of history?

Yeah, they just throw away the key and let them rot.

Is the current situation ideal? Nope. Can it be improved? Yup! But your comment is akin to propaganda.

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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby Jlabute » Dec 16th, 2018, 8:48 pm

Sounds like it could be injury, poisoning, or the effects of venom. Going a few days without food or water wouldn’t normally kill you from septic shock of organ failure, unless the girl had unknown health issues. What else can kill you so quickly? Father said the girl didn’t eat anything so it can’t be food poisoning, unless he is lying. The family attourney says they had food and water and didn’t lack anything on their journey, so, various conflicting stories are coming to light. Border guards are not killing kids, and fed the girl so she shouldn’t have been hypoglycaemic. Would a father in a group of 130+ walk their child to the point of death? There could have been an underlying organ or nervous system related health issues or other sickness. The girl went by helicopter to a hospital and received medical care after being recusitated and would have received fluids. I don’t think anyone is to blame. The girl had a fever of 105.9.

An autopsy will be done. Everyone involved tried to save the girls life. The girl was already sick. The girl was so called healthy at 9:15pm but no one knew there was a problem, and was vomitting before getting on the bus at 5am. After the bus trip she got the best of care, but died.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/15/us/guatemalan-girl-death-timeline/index.html

Did I hear someone say this girl was put in to a New Mexico refrigerator?
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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby Treblehook » Dec 17th, 2018, 10:06 am

This tragic death of a child at the US Border is in no way the responsibility of the US Administration. That anyone could suggest such a thing is irresponsible. The US Border Patrol save countless lives every year along the US/Mexico border and most people realize that fact. Accountability for this girl dying lies squarely on the shoulders of her family who placed her in such a dangerous situation..

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Re: Child death raises questions

Postby the truth » Dec 17th, 2018, 10:38 am

the girls parents should be put in jail for killing there own child, these people are disgusting, and left wingers eat this crap up
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Re: Child death raises questions

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Re: Child death raises questions

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Re: Child death raises questions

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