Support Hong Kong

[Even Steven]

So you are against freedom of speech. Freedom of religion. Freedom to own property. Conduct business privately. What are you doing here? Why not go to Venezuela. Or Cuba. Or China?

Excuse me, can you read plain English? The question was what mainlanders think of HK protests, and this is what I described.

PS: You can own property and conduct business in China, your knowledge of China is outdated by about 60 years lol.

[averagejoe]

In their view those that are protesting are rich spoiled kids who think they are better then everybody, lazy and entitled, and would rather be subservants of US then to be independent how China is.

China is subservient to Moscow.....




People's liberation army navy with Russia....

China-Russia joint naval exercise concludes

QINGDAO, May 4 (Xinhua) -- A six-day joint naval exercise held by Chinese and Russian navies concluded Saturday in Qingdao, east China's Shandong Province.

With a focus on joint defense operations, the "Joint Sea-2019" exercise featured joint air defense drills, joint anti-submarine drills, joint submarine rescue drills, among other joint operations.



Competitions including riflery, sniping and steeplechase, as well as cultural and sports exchanges were also held.

Two submarines, 13 surface ships, as well as fixed-wing airplanes, helicopters and marines participated in the exercise.

The exercise has fulfilled scheduled tasks and reached set targets, achieving new high in making China-Russia joint naval exercises more real combat-oriented, information-based and standardized, said Qiu Yanpeng, chief director of the exercise from the Chinese side and deputy commander of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.

[averagejoe]

PS: You can own property and conduct business in China, your knowledge of China is outdated by about 60 years lol.

Update: There is only one party. It's called the Communist Party of China.

Everything is owned by the government....including all businesses.



http://english.cpc.people.com.cn/

[averagejoe]

How the state runs business in China

Much of modern China’s epic growth was driven by private enterprise – but under Xi Jinping, the Communist party has returned to being the ultimate authority in business as well as politics.

When Xi Jinping took power in 2012, he extolled the importance of the state economy at every turn, while all around him watched as China’s high-speed economy was driven by private entrepreneurs. Since then, Xi has engineered an unmistakable shift in policy. At the time he took office, private firms were responsible for about 50% of all investment in China and about 75% of economic output. But as Nicholas Lardy, a US economist who has long studied the Chinese economy, concluded in a recent study, “Since 2012, private, market-driven growth has given way to a resurgence of the role of the state.”
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From the Mao era onwards, Chinese state firms have always had a predominant role in the economy, and the Communist party has always maintained direct control over state firms. For more than a decade, the party has also tried to ensure it played a role inside private businesses. But in his first term in office, Xi has overseen a sea change in how the party approaches the economy, dramatically strengthening the party’s role in both government and private businesses.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ise-huawei

[Jlabute]

I am sure.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-49354507

I found this interesting too.

“What do mainlanders make of the protests?
China has a wealth of independent bloggers posting on the likes of WeChat and Weibo. Their opinions usually only reach a limited audience if they pick up on a sensitive topic, as such content can be deleted within hours.
Last week, one article on WeChat briefly went viral as it provided detailed timelines and historic context of how the issue has evolved, something state media tend to avoid. For example, it argued that the extradition bill wasn't a good solution to the legal case for which it was suggested - where a Hong Kong man killed a woman in Taiwan but fled to his home city.
The post was removed by a large-scale Chinese censorship operation after a few hours.”

Eventually, Chinese will buck against authoritarianism, social credit, or be content to live their lives as captives without freedom of expression. Communism is very well alive in China and they censor everything against the state and create fake news against protests. There are some though who understand what is happening in HK. State media only shows the worst. It has to explode at some point. HK has gone downhill since the takeover.

[Even Steven]

“What do mainlanders make of the protests?

You know, you can almost ask them too. There isn't one in Kelowna, but there are plenty of support rallies across the globe of Chinese people (including those from HK) who stand up against the violence and support the law in HK. I know there was one in Vancouver, Toronto, all over Europe, in Asia. Would be interesting to converse with one of them and get the real deal picture.

[1791]

All the so called protests you speak of. Were in response to pro HK democracy movements. None appear to be organic. All appear to be organized.

[1791]

Never give up. Never give in.


The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, along with possibly the First Amendment, is the most often discussed and most often misunderstood.

This simple sentence, “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed,” has been the subject of more hyperbole and irresponsible misinterpretation than perhaps any other contribution from our Founders.

But let’s first turn our attention to the protests in Hong Kong, which started on June 9 in dramatic reaction to a proposed extradition law. The law would allow China to compel the mostly autonomous “special administrative region” of Hong Kong to ship people across the Pearl River estuary to the mainland for trial. The citizens are right to fear this strong-arm control, because today’s modern archipelago of gulags resides squarely within mainland China. This is the same China that Napoleon referred to as “a sleeping giant” and warned to, “let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world.”

In the middle of their brave stand for freedom—and shamefully, barely reported upon in the mainstream press—Hong Kong protesters have been carrying the American flag and singing our National Anthem as they stand in defiance of the Chinese Goliath before them. Their love of American-style liberty has led to condemnation by some American liberals, who go so far as to equate Hong Kong protesters with white supremacists.

To the contrary, these courageous protesters are practicing civil disobedience in a way that would have made Gandhi proud. Of course, Gandhi was protesting against the 20th century British and, as Jonah Goldberg has pointed out, if you were going to defy an empire, that was the one to pick. Since the Brits relinquished their rights in Hong Kong back in 1997, the new Chinese landlord hasn’t been quite as lenient.

In stark contrast to the American-style liberty they seek to harness, gun ownership is not a right in Hong Kong. Under the Firearms and Ammunition Ordinance, private ownership of guns, legal or otherwise, is estimated at only 3.60 per 100 residents among the its 7.4 million Hongkongers. In other words, gun ownership is extremely limited and highly controlled. Compare those numbers with the United States, where three-in-ten people own a gun and another 11 percent of people say they live in a house with someone who does. Of those who own a weapon, 66 percent say they own more than one, and 29 percent own five or more.

Let me reduce the calculation a bit further.

The State of Alaska, with a population of less than 700,000 people, has a gun ownership rate of nearly 62%. Using the percentages above to approximate the number of guns that are privately owned in Alaska, it is not unreasonable to believe there are more than a million firearms in the hands of ordinary Alaskans who could very quickly mobilize into a “well-regulated militia.” If 62% of Hongkongers were similarly armed with say, AR-15s to accompany those American flags they’re holding, the Chinese government’s attempt at totalitarian control of the island would require a vastly different calculation.

Before I go any further, let me be emphatically clear: I am in no way advocating for violence or armed riots. Whether it be in the U.S., China or elsewhere, protesters must do everything humanly possible to avoid devolving into violence. Quite the contrary, the right to bear arms is the surest way to peace—through deterrence. It’s Reagan’s “peace through strength” doctrine in the context of a citizenry’s relationship to its government.

Alexander Hamilton penned the definitive piece on what would become the Second Amendment when he wrote Federalist 29 in January of 1788. Hamilton wrote the piece in defense of the idea that arming the citizenry was needed to provide the means to “…resist a common enemy, or to guard against the Republic against the violence of faction or sedition.” For those who like to argue that the “well-regulated militia” phrasing applied to only a “national guard” type construct, and not to the citizens in general being allowed to own guns, they need to take a deeper read of Hamilton.

Hamilton explained that it is not practical to take all citizens away from their daily lives and their employment for the purpose of training them as professional, or even semi-professional, soldiers. Only a segment of the population could be trained in such a way. To the concerns of those who felt that government-controlled soldiers could pose a threat to liberty, Hamilton said:

…if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

Our Second Amendment isn’t about hunting, and it isn’t about self-defense. It’s about Americans having a credible check and balance against the threat of tyranny and dictatorship. To those who say, “Charlie, we don’t have a dictatorship in America today,” I respond by asking, “Just why do you think that might be?” Without the Second Amendment, all the others are reduced to empty words.

China is our 2019 reminder of why totalitarian leaders love gun control. The people in Hong Kong are courageous for protesting and asking for their freedom. Without the right to bear arms, all they can do is ask. Taking is out of the question.

Lucky for China they don’t want to extradite people from Alaska.

[Even Steven]

I like how anti-China propaganda always paints it as some sort of giant Gulag concentration camp where people are sent for the smallest thing.

Yet the US has the most number of people in prisons in the world.

Way more than bad evil totalitarian China.

And not by per capita metrics - but in total. So even with a huge population difference, the US is more of a totalitarian concentration camp than China. Like seven times more.


Country Prison population Population per 100,000
US ____________2,193,798 __________737
CHINA__________ 1,548,498__________ 118

[Babba_not_Gump]

I like how anti-China propaganda always paints it as some sort of giant Gulag concentration camp where people are sent for the smallest thing.

Yet the US has the most number of people in prisons in the world.

Way more than bad evil totalitarian China.

And not by per capita metrics - but in total. So even with a huge population difference, the US is more of a totalitarian concentration camp than China. Like seven times more.


Country Prison population Population per 100,000
US ____________2,193,798 __________737
CHINA__________ 1,548,498__________ 118

How do you classify the 1 to 3 million people, mostly Uyghurs and Muslims that are held in re-education camps in China? They aren't really criminals as the only crime they seem to have committed is not being Chinese.
And then there's Tibet. Is it part of China or a separate nation? China classifies it as an autonomous region, not unlike China's control of Hong Kong.

[1791]

Wow great article about Globalism being a conduit for communism. Amazing because that is exactly what we are seeing happen.


https://m.theepochtimes.com/chapter-sev ... 95606.html

[the truth]

Wow great article about Globalism being a conduit for communism. Amazing because that is exactly what we are seeing happen.


https://m.theepochtimes.com/chapter-sev ... 95606.html

good find, ,that is exactly what is going on

[1791]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hong ... VH2JT?il=0


Some people are ready to fight. America should arm them. Quickly.

[Even Steven]

LOL. Getting involved in an armed conflict with the largest trade partner and a nuclear superpower.

Smart move.

[1791]

Paper tiger .. enslaving its own citizens. At least 40 percent of which do not want to be communists. China will topple quickly.