Impeachment

[Omnitheo]

Today House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced she is asking Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler to proceed with articles of impeachment against Trump.

Let us begin where our Founders began in 1776: ‘When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…’

With those words, our Founders courageously began our Declaration of Independence from an oppressive monarch, for, among other grievances, the King’s refusal to follow rightfully-passed laws.

In the course of today’s events, it becomes necessary for us to address, among other grievances, the President’s failure to faithfully execute the law.

When crafting the Constitution, the Founders feared the return of a monarchy in America. And, having just fought a war of independence, they specifically feared the prospect of a king president corrupted by foreign influence.

During the Constitutional Convention, James Madison – the architect of the Constitution – warned that a President might ‘betray his trust to foreign powers… which might prove fatal to the republic.’

Another Founder, Gouverneur Morris, feared that a president ‘may be bribed by a greater interest to betray his trust.’ He emphasized that, ‘This Magistrate is not the King…The people are the King.’

They therefore created a constitutional remedy to protect against a dangerous or corrupt leader: impeachment.

Unless the Constitution contained an impeachment provision, one Founder warned, a president might ‘spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected.’

Similarly, George Mason insisted that a president who ‘procured his appointment in

the first instance’ through improper and corrupt acts might ‘repeat his guilt’ and return to power.

During the debate over impeachment at the Constitutional Convention, George Mason asked: ‘Shall any man be above justice? Shall that man be above it who can commit the most extensive injustice?’

In his great wisdom, he knew that injustice committed by the President erodes the rule of law – the very idea that – of fair justice, which is the bedrock of our democracy.

And if we allow a president to be above the law, we do so surely at the peril of our republic.

In America, no one is above the law.

Over the past few weeks, through the Intelligence Committee working with the Foreign Affairs and Oversight Committees, the American people have heard the testimony of truly patriotic career public servants, distinguished diplomats and decorated war heroes: some of the President’s own appointees.

The facts are uncontested: the President abused his power for his own personal, political benefit at the expense of our national security, by withholding military aid and a crucial Oval Office meeting in exchange for an announcement of an investigation into his political rival.

Yesterday, the Judiciary Committee – at the Judiciary Committee, the American people heard testimony from leading American constitutional scholars who illuminated, without a doubt, that the President’s actions are a profound violation of the public trust.

The President’s actions have seriously violated the Constitution – especially when he says and acts upon the belief, ‘Article II says, I can do whatever I want.’

No. His wrongdoing strikes at the very heart of our Constitution: a separation of powers, three co-equal branches, each a check and balance on the other; ‘a Republic, if we can keep it,’ said Benjamin Franklin.

Our Democracy is what is at stake. The President leaves us no choice but to act, because he is trying to corrupt, once again, the election for his own benefit.

The President has engaged in abuse of power undermining our national security and jeopardizing the integrity of our elections.

His actions are in defiance of the vision of our Founders and the oath of office that he takes ‘to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.’

Sadly, but with confidence and humility, with allegiance to our Founders and our hearts full of love for America, today, I am asking our Chairmen to proceed with articles of impeachment.

I commend our Committee Chairs and our Members for their somber approach to actions which I wish the President had not made necessary.

In signing the Declaration of Independence, our Founders invoked a firm reliance on divine providence.

Democrats too are prayerful.

And we will proceed in a manner worthy of our oath of office to support and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic, so help us God.

Thank you.

More here:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1 ... nald-Trump

[RupertBear]

Unfortunately, it takes two to tango, and once this reaches the Senate for a vote, the republicans will in all likelihood be voting along party lines, and doing what's best for Donald Trump and the party and not what's best for the country as a whole.
This is why Trump's America is getting so little respect from the rest of the world and why Trump himself is being openly mocked by the real world leaders.

[Pappywinkle]

It will be entertaining to watch all the Trump supporters jump ship as impeachment proceeds. By the time its over nobody will admit they ever supported Trump.

[Omnitheo]

as far as I've seen, nothing has been said against Pence. If the republicans had any integrity, they would go through with the impeachment and force Trump to resign and Pence to take over. They could even follow the Nixon/Ford playbook and just have Pence absolve Trump of any crimes.

They have an opportunity to save face and further embarrassment and do what's best for the country, and still remain in power. Or they can keep riding this train off a cliff pretending everything is fine

[Ka-El]

Unfortunately, it takes two to tango, and once this reaches the Senate for a vote, the republicans will in all likelihood be voting along party lines, and doing what's best for Donald Trump and the party and not what's best for the country as a whole.

The swamp in Washington has never been as corrupt and toxic as it is under the Trump goof. It will be of little surprise to see the good ol' boys club, known as the Senate, to pardon Trump after he is impeached. Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress about a *bleep*. Trump was lied to Congress, he has solicited foreign interference in the US election, he has obstructed justice and threatened witnesses. The Republicans were all over breaching Clinton for his lies, but seem completely ready to pardon Trump of his high crimes. The Republicans and their apologists are as hypocritical as hypocrites can get; but what else would we expect from an organization (the Trump administration) modelled on a crime family.

[Ka-El]

By the time its over nobody will admit they ever supported Trump.

You are overestimating the intelligence of the diehard Trump acolytes. They will blame Trump's impeachment on the establishment saying it is a conspiracy, while denying they represent the very worst of the establishment. Fun times.

[Necro]

womp womp

I can't wait for IG Horowitz's and Durham's reports to drop and expose Obama and his band of criminals for setting up Trump regarding Russiagate. Also? President Zelensky has stated twice there was no QPQ. So there's that.

Btw I think you people should read the transcript. You know, the one produced via voice recognition that wasn't disputed by any of Schi-tt's fake 3rd hand witnesses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps ... e-document

[floppi]

womp womp

I can't wait for IG Horowitz's and Durham's reports to drop and expose Obama and his band of criminals for setting up Trump regarding Russiagate. Also? President Zelensky has stated twice there was no QPQ. So there's that.

Btw I think you people should read the transcript. You know, the one produced via voice recognition that wasn't disputed by any of Schi-tt's fake 3rd hand witnesses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps ... e-document

Oh you finally found the transcript of the call tRump released ...

President Trump didn't tell President Zelensky to talk to Rudy

Is that right?....here's part of the transcript of that call...

I'm sorry but I haven't seen this exchange. Can you provide the link by which you're reading the entire transcript, page, paragraph and sentence? There seems to be words (paragraphs) missing. Something may be broken on my end. Thank you.

[floppi]

womp womp

I can't wait for IG Horowitz's and Durham's reports to drop and expose Obama and his band of criminals for setting up Trump regarding Russiagate. Also? President Zelensky has stated twice there was no QPQ. So there's that.

Btw I think you people should read the transcript. You know, the one produced via voice recognition that wasn't disputed by any of Schi-tt's fake 3rd hand witnesses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps ... e-document

As far as IG Horowitz's and the handpicked Durham.....I wouldn't hold your breath about Ukranine's involvement in the US elections...they will both say it was the RUSSIANS

Barr’s handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can’t back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup

The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s office contacted U.S. Attorney John Durham, the prosecutor Barr personally tapped to lead a separate review of the 2016 probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, the people said. The inspector general also contacted several U.S. intelligence agencies.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspoli ... li=AAggNb9

[Jonrox]

womp womp

I can't wait for IG Horowitz's and Durham's reports to drop and expose Obama and his band of criminals for setting up Trump regarding Russiagate. Also? President Zelensky has stated twice there was no QPQ. So there's that.

Btw I think you people should read the transcript. You know, the one produced via voice recognition that wasn't disputed by any of Schi-tt's fake 3rd hand witnesses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps ... e-document

Dude... this is exactly the transcript I asked you about in the other thread. Why does he want the Ukrainian PM to talk to Rudy if he didn't know what Rudy was doing in the Ukraine? And how can he say Rudy knows what's going on if he himself supposedly doesn't know what's going on with him?

[Omnitheo]

Topic is impeachment. *removed*

[Necro]

Why didn't the fake whistleblower, er, I mean Eric CIAramella testify?

Why hasn't shiff-for-brains released Michael Atkinson's testimony?

[Necro]

Topic is impeachment

Funny. The articles of impeachment will include both Russiagate and Ukrainegate nonsense. This means they are both relevant to this thread. This means the fact they are both conspiracy theories, perpetrated by Democrats, are welcome in this thread because you wouldn't want to deny those defending Trump their say, right?

Unless, of course, you can prove Trump colluded with Russians or President Zelensky are lying..

[Omnitheo]

There is no “ukrainegate”. The only factual scandal involving Ukraine is the presidents attempt at bribery by withholding democratically approved spending unless Ukraine investigated his political rival. That is unless you’re pushing a Russia originated conspiracy theory which has already been thoroughly debunked.

This topic is about the facts of the president’s impeachment. Please stop trying to derail.

[Jonrox]

I'm not pushing any agenda. See, that's the problem... everybody thinks there's an ulterior motive behind asking questions. And when they don't know or don't like the answer, they just start dancing and deflecting.

When it gets uncomfortable to blindly follow a leader and not hold them accountable, their world falls apart. There's a reason my question wasn't answered in the other thread and there's a reason it won't be answered now. Nobody seems to be able to explain how Trump both knows and doesn't know what Rudy was up to.

And it is impeachment related given that the call I asked about and that Necro linked to is at the centre of the process.