Hunter Biden

[seewood]

The FBI had the laptop long before Joe Biden was selected in August of 2020, did they not? IIRC, the shop owner had given it to them about a year before the 2020 elections.

How interesting that it wasn't acted upon by the FBI until the shop owner began contacting media. And then the FBI's response was to warn of "Russian disinformation" on the way, to pre-emptively shut down discussion of the laptop's contents implicating Joe Biden.

I believe the FBI did not want to be considered interfering before an election, they did this weeks before the 2016 election in releasing information regarding Hillary Clintons emails and her poll ratings dipped by half.
many believe this release of information cost Clinton the presidency.

And, does this laptop contain definitive nefarious information? If so, I'd be thinking it would be out by now instead of dick pics.

[rustled]

The FBI had the laptop long before Joe Biden was selected in August of 2020, did they not? IIRC, the shop owner had given it to them about a year before the 2020 elections.

How interesting that it wasn't acted upon by the FBI until the shop owner began contacting media. And then the FBI's response was to warn of "Russian disinformation" on the way, to pre-emptively shut down discussion of the laptop's contents implicating Joe Biden.

I believe the FBI did not want to be considered interfering before an election, they did this weeks before the 2016 election in releasing information regarding Hillary Clintons emails and her poll ratings dipped by half.

That doesn't wash, though. When the FBI receives evidence showing highly likely "pay to play" between foreign agencies and the vice president, is it up to the FBI to decide whether or not to bury it for several months because it's an election year?

This doesn't serve democracy.

When the FBI realizes they can't sit on the evidence they've sat on for several months, is it up to the FBI to tell domestic media agencies "watch for Russian disinformation" to prevent that evidence from being discussed - because it's an election year? That IS interference.

The FBI can't claim they were trying to avoid interfering by interfering.

[rustled]

And, does this laptop contain definitive nefarious information? If so, I'd be thinking it would be out by now instead of dick pics.

There's certainly plenty of evidence of "pay to play" with the sitting VP via Hunter in the emails - evidence that would have been followed up on in any normally functioning democracy.

It's no surprise the release of photos and video related to Hunter's personal lifestyle choices have commanded more attention - the masses enjoy a circus. And if the circus is spectacular enough, you can fool some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time.

What the circus can't do is distract all of the people all of the time.

Those disinterested in Hunter Biden's personal life probably find it much easier to focus on what ought to matter most:

• The existence of emails showing "pay to play" with the VP was intentionally suppressed by the FBI for months, prior to that VP becoming the Democrat nominee for POTUS.
• Establishment Republicans campaigned for the Democrat nominee.
• When the man who knew about the emails contacted media, the FBI intervened with their "it's all Russian disinformation" tactic.
• And here we are today, with a political-establishment puppet as POTUS.

[The Green Barbarian]

[seewood]

Those disinterested in Hunter Biden's personal life probably find it much easier to focus on what ought to matter most:
The existence of emails showing "pay to play" with the VP was intentionally suppressed by the FBI for months, prior to that VP becoming the Democrat nominee for POTUS.
Establishment Republicans campaigned for the Democrat nominee.
When the man who knew about the emails contacted media, the FBI intervened with their "it's all Russian disinformation" tactic.
And here we are today, with a political-establishment puppet as POTUS.

Well, lets just hope the repubs in the house, now they have a majority, form a by-partisan committee and get to the bottom of this. If there is or was nefarious things being done then deal with it. If Joe was involved with anything illegal, collect the evidence and prosecute. The suspense is killing me.
Cell mates with Trump....?

And, when Fiona Hill ( "She is a former official at the U.S. National Security Council specializing in Russian and European affairs. She was a witness in the November 2019 House hearings regarding the impeachment inquiry during the first impeachment of Donald Trump". ) testified that through all the smoke and deflections, Russia did interfere in the election, this falls on deaf ears?
She came across to me being pretty knowledgeable in her work, maybe not others..

[JLives]

And, does this laptop contain definitive nefarious information? If so, I'd be thinking it would be out by now instead of dick pics.

There's certainly plenty of evidence of "pay to play" with the sitting VP via Hunter in the emails - evidence that would have been followed up on in any normally functioning democracy.

It's no surprise the release of photos and video related to Hunter's personal lifestyle choices have commanded more attention - the masses enjoy a circus. And if the circus is spectacular enough, you can fool some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time.

What the circus can't do is distract all of the people all of the time.

Those disinterested in Hunter Biden's personal life probably find it much easier to focus on what ought to matter most:

• The existence of emails showing "pay to play" with the VP was intentionally suppressed by the FBI for months, prior to that VP becoming the Democrat nominee for POTUS.
• Establishment Republicans campaigned for the Democrat nominee.
• When the man who knew about the emails contacted media, the FBI intervened with their "it's all Russian disinformation" tactic.
• And here we are today, with a political-establishment puppet as POTUS.

And it was Trump's FBI who suppressed it. He installed loyalists in all of these agencies. It 100% had everything to do with Clinton losing the election due to the email fiasco. And we know right wingers don't actually care about private servers because several people in Trump's administration used them. Kuschner communicated with foreign heads of state through WhatsApp and other encoded backdoor communication methods and came out of it with $2 billion. It was never about the emails or private servers and the FBI wanted to remain apolitical during an election after learning that lesson.

[seewood]

^^^ What he/she said

[rustled]

At some point, "it's Trump's fault" will inevitably become as pointlessly passé as blaming Bush became during the Obama admin, and folk will have to look squarely at reality.

If the FBI wanted to remain apolitical, why would the FBI have attempted to suppress discussion of the emails on Hunter Biden's laptop?

[Pappywinkle]

And it was Trump's FBI who suppressed it. He installed loyalists in all of these agencies. It 100% had everything to do with Clinton losing the election due to the email fiasco. And we know right wingers don't actually care about private servers because several people in Trump's administration used them. Kuschner communicated with foreign heads of state through WhatsApp and other encoded backdoor communication methods and came out of it with $2 billion. It was never about the emails or private servers and the FBI wanted to remain apolitical during an election after learning that lesson.

You'll notice those frothing about Hunter Biden have never said a thing about Kushner's corruption. It's not that these people don't think Kushner and Trump are completely crooked - they already know that. They just want to be able to say that Democrats are just as bad so they can claim 'both sides'.

[seewood]

If the FBI wanted to remain apolitical, why would the FBI have attempted to suppress discussion of the emails on Hunter Biden's laptop?

Perhaps they thought it might have influenced the outcome of a divisive, ramped up election, much like it is said the releasing of information regarding Hillary Clinton's emails a month or two before the election cost her the election.
Now, if there is nefarious information on that laptop that incriminates Joe while president, now is the time to bring it forward.
With the repubs having majority in the house they can initiate impeachment procedures and impeach Biden if he did anything illegal while president.. Won't pass in the senate though but faux news would have a heyday with it regardless.

[rustled]

If the FBI wanted to remain apolitical, why would the FBI have attempted to suppress discussion of the emails on Hunter Biden's laptop?

Perhaps they thought it might have influenced the outcome of a divisive, ramped up election, much like it is said the releasing of information regarding Hillary Clinton's emails a month or two before the election cost her the election.

If I understand this, you're suggesting the American public should be ok with the FBI suppressing evidence of international influence peddling involving a former vice president, if releasing that evidence to the public might influence an election in which that former vice president is running for president.

Doesn't seem to be how we'd expect a democracy to function.

Now, if there is nefarious information on that laptop that incriminates Joe while president, now is the time to bring it forward.

And if there is information on that laptop that incriminated Joe while he was vice president, when IYO would be "the time to bring it forward"?

With the repubs having majority in the house they can initiate impeachment procedures and impeach Biden if he did anything illegal while president..

And if he did anything illegal while vice president? What should the process be, IYO?

Won't pass in the senate though but faux news would have a heyday with it regardless.

Surely that is not what truly matters most to sensible people, though.

Surely what would truly matter most to sensible people is the consequences of the FBI actively working to protect certain members of the political establishment from public scrutiny, by suppressing evidence of those members of the political establishment's wrongdoing.

Eventually, despite the circus, a significant portion of the American public will connect the dots between Hunter, Joe, and Ukraine - and the FBI's efforts to ensure the evidence on Hunter's laptop didn't impede Joe from assuming the role of POTUS.

[Mazdatruck]

It has become quite apparent that Americans should be afraid of Trump winning.

It's apparent that the CIA/FBI/NSA were running political operations on US soil to try and prevent Trump from being elected.

JFK was a tragedy, but this time around it actually suits your political agenda I guess.

You know, lots of people were happy that JFK was assassinated.

"Can't have people like that running the country!" they said.

[Mazdatruck]

I believe the FBI did not want to be considered interfering before an election, they did this weeks before the 2016 election in releasing information regarding Hillary Clintons emails and her poll ratings dipped by half.
many believe this release of information cost Clinton the presidency.

Hillary Clinton, by her own actions and truths, caused her polling to slip because her 100% legit emails talking about rigging the election against Bernie Sanders (lovable old guy) and her making 150,000 dollars a hour to talk nice to the people that ruined the worlds economy and stole everyones retirement funds were published before a election. They were published because they were true and the American voter had a right to know the truth about someone they were voting for.

They literally "shot the messenger" by calling the messenger Russia, after Hillary lost to a reality TV clown. Embarrassing beyond embarrassing. They needed to blame anyone but themselves. Blame Russia provided years of good juicy blame shifting and distraction and still does right to this very minute.

Every newspaper in Amercia published the Hillary/DNC leaks because they were in the public interest.

After Trump won, the DNC and Democratic Party said "...this is why we need to STOP hacks from Russia BEFORE they happen!" and "..we need to have the power to do this - this is more dangerous than a bomb!" What they were talking about was suppressing anything they dont want people to know, and calling it Russian interference.

The media was so scared to report (the truth) about Hunter Biden and then later be "blamed for Trumps victory" that many well-meaning journalists were COWED and BULLIED into not reporting on the Hunter Biden Story. Even if it was true. That's exactly the type of "State Media Control" you'd find in North Korea.

Interfering would have been to suppress the Hillary Clinton email leaks. Just like they suppressed the Hunter Biden story. That's WHY they suppressed it. They weren't going to let the truth bite them in the bum this time!

[seewood]

If I understand this, you're suggesting the American public should be ok with the FBI suppressing evidence of international influence peddling involving a former vice president, if releasing that evidence to the public might influence an election in which that former vice president is running for president.

Doesn't seem to be how we'd expect a democracy to function.

The American public or the republican American public would not be OK with with the FBI withholding information on the opposition before an election. I think the dems were pretty upset when the FBI released info not long before the election. Even Merrick Garland has mentioned indictments are sensitive around election times.
If there is nefarious info on that laptop, bring it out now, just what is there to hide or influence.

And if there is information on that laptop that incriminated Joe while he was vice president, when IYO would be "the time to bring it forward"?

Right now is as good a time as any. Didn't disclose before the election so we can't go back in time and change that. Right or wrong, done deal there.

And if he did anything illegal while vice president? What should the process be, IYO?

I suspect when he becomes a private citizen again, charges could be laid. Now, if he pardon's himself for any past misdeeds, I don't believe he can be charged?? But pardoning ones self is pretty incriminating.

Eventually, despite the circus, a significant portion of the American public will connect the dots between Hunter, Joe, and Ukraine - and the FBI's efforts to ensure the evidence on Hunter's laptop didn't impede Joe from assuming the role of POTUS.

Just a conspiracy thought: maybe the FBI's handling of Hillary's email information just before an election gave the FBI pause not to do it again if there was anything nefarious with Biden?? Let the best man win this time without outside influence. Just perhaps?
Yep, if there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt the said lap top stayed in Hunter's chain of possession so no one else could plant material and any damaging contents can be fact checked and verified, pretty sure that would be SOP, and after all that pretty standard investigation stuff, if Hunter and Joe were found to be guilty of some criminal code infraction in a court, then they do the time.
Until then, I guess the repubs and the public have to deal with dick-pics for now.

[JLives]

And it was Trump's FBI who suppressed it. He installed loyalists in all of these agencies. It 100% had everything to do with Clinton losing the election due to the email fiasco. And we know right wingers don't actually care about private servers because several people in Trump's administration used them. Kuschner communicated with foreign heads of state through WhatsApp and other encoded backdoor communication methods and came out of it with $2 billion. It was never about the emails or private servers and the FBI wanted to remain apolitical during an election after learning that lesson.

You'll notice those frothing about Hunter Biden have never said a thing about Kushner's corruption. It's not that these people don't think Kushner and Trump are completely crooked - they already know that. They just want to be able to say that Democrats are just as bad so they can claim 'both sides'.

100%. It's never been about emails or private servers or laptops or sweetheart deals or promising access to important people. None of that matters. It's just that they're on the wrong team.

Trump stole classified documents when vacating the Presidency and they didn't even care about that. There's no bottom. It's just about power and "winning". I so wish they'd put that enthusiasm and high level skill of organizing into forming actual policies. I just want them to put their powers to good instead of evil I guess.