One crisp winter morning in Sweden

[Gone_Fishin]

One crisp winter morning in Sweden




One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.
“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother.
“What happened to the carpet?” she asked.
“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response.

Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fibre bristles.
“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “Also nylon.”

“Where’s the water?” asked Greta.
“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, ‘Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it”
“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish.
“Well,” said her godmother, who happened to teach engineering at MIT, “Where do we begin?” There followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat, and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants and nylon and rubber for tires and asphalt for filling potholes and wax and iPhone plastic and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . .

“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting.
"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.”
“How so, raw?” inquired Greta.
“Well, . . .” And once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like you do in Boy Scouts. Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore.

“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes,” lamented Greta.
“Tilda died this morning,” the godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.”
“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin.”
“Not anymore,” explained godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using as fuel Swedish fences and furniture, which are rapidly disappearing - being used on the black market for roasting eggs and staying warm.”

This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fibre boats to sail in, but a day that will save the planet.

Tune in tomorrow when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized.

[Delta Dra 7187]

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=82841&hilit=Greta+Thunberg

[zoo]

Awesome, Society is going to have to wake up and take a real understanding of this before we proceed with changes that will actually work.

[mexi cali]

It will never happen.

[typhoon44]

As usual you have missed the point. We must move to a more sustainable energy model. No one is suggesting that we will go back to living in caves or that it will happen immediately.

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step".

The dino lovers are too afraid to take that step.

[OKkayak]

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step".

The dino lovers are too afraid to take that step.

It's easier to drive

[The Green Barbarian]

We must move to a more sustainable energy model.
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Yes, nuclear power clearly is the future. 100% agree.

[Delta Dra 7187]

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[typhoon44]

We must move to a more sustainable energy model.
.

Yes, nuclear power clearly is the future. 100% agree.

But won't Alberta lose all its jobs if power goes nuclear?

[Bsuds]

But won't Alberta lose all its jobs if power goes nuclear?

They need oil to make all the parts for a Nuclear power plant.

[Delta Dra 7187]

Greta’s main target is greenhouse gas emissions.

So when it comes to aspects of greenhouse gas emission it looks like the main producers from human activities, ranked highest to lowest are: transportation, electricity, industry, commercial and residential, and agriculture.

And Greta is not demonstrating in a way that suggests she wishes to eliminate all aspects of ‘oil,’ but how she wishes to reduce the misuse of ‘oil’ that produces its most unnecessary greenhouse gas emissions bearing on aspects of transportation, electricity, industry, commercial and residential, and agriculture.

[2manyfords]

Greta’s main target is greenhouse gas emissions.

So when it comes to aspects of greenhouse gas emission it looks like the main producers from human activities, ranked highest to lowest are: transportation, electricity, industry, commercial and residential, and agriculture.

And Greta is not demonstrating in a way that suggests she wishes to eliminate all aspects of ‘oil,’ but how she wishes to reduce the misuse of ‘oil’ that produces its most unnecessary greenhouse gas emissions bearing on aspects of transportation, electricity, industry, commercial and residential, and agriculture.

How is transportation a misuse or unnecessary? We all (for the most part) have to get to work, and EV's simply won't work for everybody. Products need to get to the stores so we can buy groceries. Not everyone lives in an apartment over their place of work.

What I saw of Greta (and why I can't take her seriously) is someone painting everyone with the same brush during her rants...oops...demonstrations, and promoting disruptions of people trying to make a living. Remember the protesters shutting down arterial routes/bridges during commuting hours? Wrong way to get attention.

As far as reduction in GHG"s, i'm all on board for that. Would work well in city centers. Not so much rural. Which ironically, is where the farming community is. Not too many E-tractors out there, and not a lot of prospects for them...

[Delta Dra 7187]

How is transportation a misuse or unnecessary?

A 'misuse or unnecessary' when 'greener' means are easily available to a person as a choice. In your case maybe not.

However, for instance, right now I’m doing my job from home and I may never change that, whereas I used to ride the bus to work even when my scooter has always been available for that, and it would be the same if I had a car.

[2manyfords]

But won't Alberta lose all its jobs if power goes nuclear?

They need oil to make all the parts for a Nuclear power plant.

This would be a "golden" moment for Kenney to diversify, instead of following his predecessors.

[2manyfords]

How is transportation a misuse or unnecessary?

A 'misuse or unnecessary' when 'greener' means are easily available to a person as a choice. In your case maybe not.

However, for instance, right now I’m doing my job from home and I may never change that, whereas I used to ride the bus to work even when my scooter has always been available for that, and it would be the same if I had a car.

Definatly not possible for me.

As someone who lives in an agricultural (rural) area, I already pay a premium for electricity. To attempt to retrofit to electric heating (home, barn, pump house, etc...) would be crippling. As it would for any rural property owner, let alone a large scale farmer.