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gertlush wrote: Sep 8th, 2022, 1:58 pm I tend not to click on links, and double that for Twitter links, whats the Coles Notes version? Ukraine victorious, Russians running away or something.

Youd think for $50-$60 billion you'd get more for your money.

Give it a few more days...
Some significant advances, up to 50 kms and 20 villages liberated... oh, and a chuckle-worthy submission from St. Javelin. Yep, give it a few more days.

Russian propagandists attempt to reconcile the narrative with some of the reality on the ground. "Keep calm, or be shot".

Russian Media Monitor - - - > https://twitter.com/i/status/1568310989149605888

"You can call the prosecutors in Russia - we're not moving from here".

---> https://twitter.com/i/status/1568028412492787712

It's all coming unglued. In the words of many observers... the Russian collapse is happening faster than the Ukrainians can advance and mop up the liberated villages.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568284610714570757

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More Russian media ---> https://twitter.com/i/status/1568352164195737601

And so it begins?

In Ufa, Republic of Bashkortostan, Russia a shopping center is on fire and looting is rampant.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568364896122814464

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568361834553528324
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I think trying to counteratrack was a bizarre decision and Im not sure why the Americans allowed it. If you read between the lines it seems like they needed to show some payback for the $60 billion. A waste of men and material.
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Or, to put it another way, *bleep* into the wind.

Say its a masterstroke and the Russians withdraw to another line of defense... you are still getting ground down everywhere else and just used up your operational reserve to... what exactly?

When I see Zelensky saying "we regained 1000 sq km" it makes me think of Blackadder [icon_lol2.gif]
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Some of you figure Russia is done? Okay.
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oldtrucker wrote: Sep 9th, 2022, 9:55 pm Some of you figure Russia is done? Okay.
I don't know about Russia being done, but this is arguably the third collapse of the Soviet Union. (This time, while it was nothing more than a dream in an old gangster's mind.) It's likely things are much better for Ukraine than they appear right now. OSINT pieces don't tend to be put together from the forward operational units, those "selfies", we're seeing right now, are being published by mechanized units following and doing the mop up.

It looks good for Ukraine right now. Cautiously optimistic that they can keep this momentum going.

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All of Europe is going to freeze this winter.

On the British TV the prizes they giveaway are not new cars, not vacations but "We will pay your energy bill for 4 months".

That sounds like cold war anti soviet propaganda with the "they have bread lines in Russia" sentiment.but this isn't Moscow in 1982, this is London 2022. Citizens get lottery prizes of "we will pay your energy bill". True dystopia.

Yeah things are sure looking bad for Russia...?
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Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 10th, 2022, 11:25 am
oldtrucker wrote: Sep 9th, 2022, 9:55 pm Some of you figure Russia is done? Okay.
I don't know about Russia being done, but this is arguably the third collapse of the Soviet Union. (This time, while it was nothing more than a dream in an old gangster's mind.) It's likely things are much better for Ukraine than they appear right now. OSINT pieces don't tend to be put together from the forward operational units, those "selfies", we're seeing right now, are being published by mechanized units following and doing the mop up.

It looks good for Ukraine right now. Cautiously optimistic that they can keep this momentum going.

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Mood ---> https://twitter.com/i/status/1568650372864004096 [icon_lol2.gif]
Omg the writeup on the map is a little triumphant, "arguably the greatest blah blah". Exactly what i said above - even if its a masterstroke what then? Europe has shut down about 50%!! Of their aluminum smelters etc, NATO nations have used up their stockpiles (though i assume the Russians have too). Ukraine is facing hyperinflation, the fundamentals are not good.

I doubt the Russkies even try to retake this area. Theyll maybe keep a buffer at the border but clearly their focus is elsewhere.

Id say the Ukies just shot their bolt, I can only see it as a prelude to peace talks, to try and establish facts on the ground.
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gertlush wrote: Sep 11th, 2022, 1:35 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 10th, 2022, 11:25 am

I don't know about Russia being done, but this is arguably the third collapse of the Soviet Union. (This time, while it was nothing more than a dream in an old gangster's mind.) It's likely things are much better for Ukraine than they appear right now. OSINT pieces don't tend to be put together from the forward operational units, those "selfies", we're seeing right now, are being published by mechanized units following and doing the mop up.

It looks good for Ukraine right now. Cautiously optimistic that they can keep this momentum going.

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Mood ---> https://twitter.com/i/status/1568650372864004096 [icon_lol2.gif]
Omg the writeup on the map is a little triumphant, "arguably the greatest blah blah". Exactly what i said above - even if its a masterstroke what then? Europe has shut down about 50%!! Of their aluminum smelters etc, NATO nations have used up their stockpiles (though i assume the Russians have too). Ukraine is facing hyperinflation, the fundamentals are not good.

I doubt the Russkies even try to retake this area. Theyll maybe keep a buffer at the border but clearly their focus is elsewhere.

Id say the Ukies just shot their bolt, I can only see it as a prelude to peace talks, to try and establish facts on the ground.
"What then"?

This ---> https://twitter.com/i/status/1569070513909022720

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Too bad you don't click twitter links, you'd see what's going on in Russia today. It's not pretty and some hard questions are being asked. Something that's been completely unseen and unthinkable up until this point.

Kup'yans'k wasn't a thoughtless and whimsical objective. The Russian's can focus on anything they want, but resupply and logistics doesn't favour them without this important rail and transportation hub.

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Looks like western military tech is now starting to show that russia has a army of fools with subgrade equipment . Ukraine is taking back land and sending the commies running
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Props to the BlackAdder reference

Did Putin really think Ukraine would just roll over?
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normaM wrote: Sep 12th, 2022, 12:24 pm Props to the BlackAdder reference

Did Putin really think Ukraine would just roll over?
sure looks like it.
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If anything it shows just how little resources Russia put into the SMO. Nice fake Sun Tzu reference, never heard of that one, but I think Citino's work on the US army's doctrinal inheritance of German technique is more relevant in this instance. The irony is rewinding 60 years to von Manstein's generalship in this very same part of the world, against the very same people.

But that's probably already covered in a twitter link somewhere right?

6 months of war but suddenly in a week Ukraine has "won"? Amazing.

Lets circle back a week from now and see where its at.
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[icon_lol2.gif]

Sure, let's circle back in a week...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569298704238100482

Rough translation:

- Do you need it?
- No
- And you?
- *no answer*
- :cuss: this crap...

Moving on... *Warning - Not a happy story*



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If you're interested in this topic, this is the must see video of the day.

Russian Media Monitor - - -> https://twitter.com/i/status/1569810748989390850
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Drip_Torch wrote: Sep 13th, 2022, 3:31 pm If you're interested in this topic, this is the must see video of the day.

Russian Media Monitor - - -> https://twitter.com/i/status/1569810748989390850
Wow so there's actually dissent and difference of opinion on Russian media, I don't see that much in western media.
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