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They're not in use anyway, could be an American false flag, why would Putin do it? It just removes a potential source of leverage he had over the Germans.
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Joe Biden and the US Government openly bragged that they would shut down Nord if Russia kept up with the invasion.bb49 wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 4:12 pm Nord Stream 1 and 2 both have "leaks".
Serious leaks. One site described them as explosions.
Is Putin getting desperate?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63044747
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/2 ... eline-leak
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FVbEoZXhCrM?app=desktop
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-m ... d=82712888Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

This is a SERIOUS escalation. Russia will have to relatiliate.
Nobody claimed responsibility for both pipes springing leaks at the same time. There is obviously something at play.
The USA wants a world war. If those pipelines stayed operational then there could be negotiations because Europe is going to go cold this winter. Now that can't happen. Great news if you want war. Russia is warning us they will use nukes. USA saying "it's a bluff" but what will they do when it actually happens? They'll act like a old woman that just had her purse stolen and we'll be in full nuclear war.
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News Flash! Nord Stream 2 was brought to an end in late February. Biden wasn't bluffing. Here, catch up... this will get you to March 31, 2022.Mazdatruck wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 4:30 pm Joe Biden and the US Government openly bragged that they would shut down Nord if Russia kept up with the invasion.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/31/the-nor ... raine.html
So, back to topic... This is the Russian *must see* clip of the day.
Russian Media Monitor --->https://twitter.com/i/status/1574860347697205262
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There is a difference between Russia turning off the taps and used pipelines and the US secretly blowing up the Russian pipelines so Europe CAN'T buy Russian natural gas anymore.Drip_Torch wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 6:41 pm News Flash! Nord Stream 2 was brought to an end in late February. Biden wasn't bluffing. Here, catch up... this will get you to March 31, 2022.![]()
The debate points you push are pure-pro-war propaganda. This isn't a game.
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There's a difference between Ukraine Russia war News and wild and crazy speculation too. No this isn't a game.Mazdatruck wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 7:48 pmThere is a difference between Russia turning off the taps and pipelines and the US secretly blowing up the Russian pipelines so Europe CAN'T buy Russian natural gas anymore.Drip_Torch wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 6:41 pm News Flash! Nord Stream 2 was brought to an end in late February. Biden wasn't bluffing. Here, catch up... this will get you to March 31, 2022.![]()
The debate points you push are pure-pro-war propaganda. This isn't a game.
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The US openly bragged that no matter what the pipeline would be killed off if Russia kept things up.
The pipeline was huge leverage for Russia.
The only people this will benefit is US business interests.
Now Europe has to buy energy from US interests. Now there will be war.
Not speculation.
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Already being discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=92315Mazdatruck wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 7:54 pmThe US openly bragged that no matter what the pipeline would be killed off if Russia kept things up.
The pipeline was huge leverage for Russia.
The only people this will benefit is US business interests.
Now Europe has to buy energy from US interests. Now there will be war.
Not speculation.
Have fun.
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Results of referenda in Kherson, Zaporozhye, DPR & LPR just came out. Overwhelmingly in support of joining Russia. Ukraine has just lost about 15% of their pre-war controlled territory, officially.
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Ah-huh. I personally have a suspicion this vote might not exactly be on the up and up. Perhaps some repubs were there collecting tips.BC Landlord wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 8:11 pm Results of referenda in Kherson, Zaporozhye, DPR & LPR just came out. Overwhelmingly in support of joining Russia. Ukraine has just lost about 15% of their pre-war controlled territory, officially.
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Nah. A referendum at gunpoint will never be official in an occupied territory. There's a process, it doesn't involve guns and bombs, so it might not be a process the Russians fully understand at this time, but they will.BC Landlord wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 8:11 pm esults of referenda in Kherson, Zaporozhye, DPR & LPR just came out. Overwhelmingly in support of joining Russia. Ukraine has just lost about 15% of their pre-war controlled territory, officially.
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-a ... 022-09-26/The United States will introduce a resolution at the U.N. Security Council calling on member states not to recognise any change to Ukraine and obligating Russia to withdraw its troops, U.S. envoy Linda Thomas-Greenfield said.
"Russia’s sham referenda, if accepted, will open a pandora’s box that we cannot close," she said at a council meeting.
Russia has the ability to veto a resolution in the Security Council, but Thomas-Greenfield said that would prompt the United States to take the issue to the U.N. General Assembly.
"Any referenda held under these conditions, at the barrel of a gun, can never be remotely close to free or fair," Britain's Deputy U.N. Ambassador James Kariuki said.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1128161
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The General Assembly is toothless. I am not even sure the majority of member states would oppose the referendum, to begin with.Drip_Torch wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 8:25 pmRussia has the ability to veto a resolution in the Security Council, but Thomas-Greenfield said that would prompt the United States to take the issue to the U.N. General Assembly.
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It all comes back to the first article of the Budapest Memorandum signed on December 5, 1994. If the world isn't going to stand against a violation of a nuclear nonproliferation agreement, нам лучше всем начать учить русский язык.BC Landlord wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 8:38 pmThe General Assembly is toothless. I am not even sure the majority of member states would oppose the referendum, to begin with.
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
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I am puzzled as to what this referendum has to do with the "nuclear nonproliferation agreement" ??? And btw, ... I am not Russian. I can't even speak the language. So, no need for writing in Russian. It's misplaced.Drip_Torch wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 8:47 pm It all comes back to the first article of the Budapest Memorandum signed on December 5, 1994. If the world isn't going to stand against a violation of a nuclear nonproliferation agreement, нам лучше всем начать учить русский язык.
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Oh sorry, my mistake. нам лучше всем начать учить русский язык. ---> "we should all start learning Russian".BC Landlord wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 9:03 pmI am puzzled as to what this referendum has to do with the "nuclear nonproliferation agreement" ??? And btw, ... I am not Russian. I can't even speak the language. So, no need for writing in Russian. It's misplaced.Drip_Torch wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 8:47 pm It all comes back to the first article of the Budapest Memorandum signed on December 5, 1994. If the world isn't going to stand against a violation of a nuclear nonproliferation agreement, нам лучше всем начать учить русский язык.
The Budapest Memorandum signed on December 5, 1994 was an agreement to respect Ukrainian sovereignty and extend security assurances to Ukraine, the third largest nuclear power on the planet at the time, in exchange for their total disarmament and the destruction of all warheads, missiles and capacity to create them in the future.
Let me google that for you.
So, Russia agrees in 1994, Ukraine destroys 1700+ warheads and the capacity to make more, and then in 2014 Russia says ha ha suckers deal is off and we're going to start invading you. Nah, doesn't fly and that's why there have been increasing sanctions and support for Ukraine from the worldwide community.
I had another point about your comment around the UN being a toothless tiger. I doubt Radovan Karadžić would agree with you, in hindsight.
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That's how Ukraine came to be, but that agreement does not entitle them to genocide against their Russian-speaking citizens, and to harbor Nazism. And that's exactly what their new government engaged in, post the Maidan coup.Drip_Torch wrote: ↑Sep 27th, 2022, 9:11 pm The Budapest Memorandum signed on December 5, 1994 was an agreement to respect Ukrainian sovereignty and extend security assurances to Ukraine, the third largest nuclear power on the planet at the time, in exchange for their total disarmament and the destruction of all warheads, missiles and capacity to create them in the future.
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