Ukraine Russia war NEWS

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Like what plans exactly?

Initial invasion force roughly 180,000 vs. Ukes 250,000
Ukes have conscripted 300-400,000 since then
Russians now undermanned, as evidenced recently.

NEVER underestimate American nihilism, they will destroy Europe to save it. They just inflicted a generation of economic damage on the Germans. Look to Iraq, Afghan, Libya etc to see what happens once the yanks break stuff and lose interest.
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Reframe it in your mind. Instead of "plucky democracy needs our help to fight off evil empire" think "declining imperialistic power will stop at nothing to preserve its place on top of pecking order"

Obama said Ukraine was not in Americas strategic interest, whats changed?
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gertlush wrote: Sep 30th, 2022, 12:24 pm Like what plans exactly?

Initial invasion force roughly 180,000 vs. Ukes 250,000
Ukes have conscripted 300-400,000 since then
Russians now undermanned, as evidenced recently.

NEVER underestimate American nihilism, they will destroy Europe to save it. They just inflicted a generation of economic damage on the Germans. Look to Iraq, Afghan, Libya etc to see what happens once the yanks break stuff and lose interest.
Ukrainian total military 400,000, Russia 1 million, hardly undermanned, now they call up reserves of which they have 2 million.
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Ok, then it begs the question of what Ukraine is up to? Theyve ruled out talks with the Russians and pledged to liberate the annexed areas, how? Sharks with laser beams on their heads? The Turks and Hungarians wont agree to their NATO bid.

Brazil, China and India all abstained from the recent UN condemnation vote.
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gertlush wrote: Sep 30th, 2022, 12:42 pm Reframe it in your mind. Instead of "plucky democracy needs our help to fight off evil empire" think "declining imperialistic power will stop at nothing to preserve its place on top of pecking order"

Obama said Ukraine was not in Americas strategic interest, whats changed?
Ugh... off the top of my head, Russia invaded Ukraine. I would have thought that was apparent by now. Hello, non-proliferation agreements, self-determination... democracy... these aren't high level concepts?
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Hello, non-proliferation agreements, self-determination... democracy... these aren't high level concepts?
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Mazdatruck wrote: Oct 1st, 2022, 7:48 pm
Hello, non-proliferation agreements, self-determination... democracy... these aren't high level concepts?
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Okay cool. If you don't have a counterpoint just post a clip of nonsense from the web, chucking muck and hope some of it sticks.

"Ukraine Russia war news"... it shouldn't really be as hard as you're making it out to be. News, from the Russian created war in the Ukraine.
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From a New York Times report.
Russia acknowledged today that Ukrainian forces had broken through its defences in the southern Kherson region. Igor Konashenkov, a defence ministry spokesman, told reporters that the Ukrainians had seized territory thanks to “superior tank units” and had “penetrated into the depths of our defence”.
There's more, way more, and I'm saving you a few bucks on the paywall. You can thank me later.

https://archive.ph/fu0SG#selection-951.0-953.294
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Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 3rd, 2022, 10:57 am There's more, way more, and I'm saving you a few bucks on the paywall. You can thank me later.
https://archive.ph/fu0SG#selection-951.0-953.294
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Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 1st, 2022, 7:25 pm
gertlush wrote: Sep 30th, 2022, 12:42 pm Reframe it in your mind. Instead of "plucky democracy needs our help to fight off evil empire" think "declining imperialistic power will stop at nothing to preserve its place on top of pecking order"

Obama said Ukraine was not in Americas strategic interest, whats changed?
Ugh... off the top of my head, Russia invaded Ukraine. I would have thought that was apparent by now. Hello, non-proliferation agreements, self-determination... democracy... these aren't high level concepts?
Since when have those things mattered? Shouldnt we be freeing Tibet first then?

Ukraines last gasp, their window has closed. Hopelessly over extended and vulnerable to the Russian riposte. Question now is wherw the Ruskies strike.

US pressuring the Euros to match their MONTHLY $1.5bil just to fund Ukies govt. They havent event sent any of the $5 billion they originally allocated.

German Reichstag voted overwhelmingly not to transfer amy more weapons to Ukraine.

Jake Sullivan says "Ukies in NATO? Maybe later"

Even Elon is seeing the light.

Lots of news
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Its gotta be a bit embarassing to publicly apply to join NATO only to be told "ya, but no. Your role is to die and hopefully take Russians with you. Omg!? You thought we actually liked you?? Ahhh, thats so sweet, but no."
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gertlush wrote: Oct 3rd, 2022, 5:48 pm Its gotta be a bit embarassing to publicly apply to join NATO only to be told "ya, but no. Your role is to die and hopefully take Russians with you. Omg!? You thought we actually liked you?? Ahhh, thats so sweet, but no."
True. Ukrainian people deserve a better leadership. Nato would fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, and Zelenski would play along for as long as his own pockets are well lined.
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gertlush wrote: Oct 3rd, 2022, 5:44 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Oct 1st, 2022, 7:25 pm
Ugh... off the top of my head, Russia invaded Ukraine. I would have thought that was apparent by now. Hello, non-proliferation agreements, self-determination... democracy... these aren't high level concepts?
Since when have those things mattered? Shouldnt we be freeing Tibet first then?

Ukraines last gasp, their window has closed. Hopelessly over extended and vulnerable to the Russian riposte. Question now is wherw the Ruskies strike.

US pressuring the Euros to match their MONTHLY $1.5bil just to fund Ukies govt. They havent event sent any of the $5 billion they originally allocated.

German Reichstag voted overwhelmingly not to transfer amy more weapons to Ukraine.
Jake Sullivan says "Ukies in NATO? Maybe later"
Even Elon is seeing the light.
Lots of news
Germany initially said no weapons to ukraine, but they changed their minds.
https://ukranews.com/en/news/868697-ger ... -and-still
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gertlush wrote: Oct 3rd, 2022, 5:48 pm Its gotta be a bit embarassing to publicly apply to join NATO only to be told "ya, but no. Your role is to die and hopefully take Russians with you. Omg!? You thought we actually liked you?? Ahhh, thats so sweet, but no."
Fast track is a no.
But there are countries which fear what Russia might do next if they succeeded in taking over ukraine.
The nine NATO countries in Central and Eastern Europe fearful that Russia could target them next if it isn't stopped in Ukraine urged a response to the annexation.

The leaders of Czechia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Romania and Slovakia published a statement on their websites Sunday saying: “We support Ukraine in its defense against Russia’s invasion, demand (that Russia) immediately withdraw from all the occupied territories and encourage all allies to substantially increase their military aid to Ukraine."
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Russia will allow Ukraine to join NATO just like the US allowed Russia to put nukes in Cuba.

It's the exact same scenario.

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