Ukraine war/President/news

[Mazdatruck]

Everyone - remember who on this forum is working overtime to justify a truck bomb attack on a civilian bridge crossing the next time there's cries of self-righteous criticisms in the West about "terrorism".

These people just justified 9/11 without realizing it mixed in with their rabid and emotional calls for aggression towards Russia.

[Silverstarqueen]

Everyone - remember who on this forum is working overtime to justify a truck bomb attack on a civilian bridge crossing the next time there's cries of self-righteous criticisms in the West about "terrorism".

These people just justified 9/11 without realizing it mixed in with their rabid and emotional calls for aggression towards Russia.

The bridge was a supply line for Russian armaments and troops in a time of war. Which Russia is using to bomb ukrainian civilians in their homes. How many died in this bridge bombing. Does ukraine have a right to defend itself against an invading army and bombing or not? Sounds like you say, "not".
(incidentally has nothing to do with 3000 civilians who died in 9/11)

[The_quiet_one]

Drip … could there be a correlation between the train and truck and bridge? Could the train have triggered something ?

[Triple 6]

Deleted off-topic posts. Two of you (no names being mentioned) need to take your petty bickering elsewhere. thanks.

[BC Landlord]

The bridge was a supply line for Russian armaments and troops in a time of war. Which Russia is using to bomb ukrainian civilians in their homes. How many died in this bridge bombing. Does ukraine have a right to defend itself against an invading army and bombing or not? Sounds like you say, "not".
(incidentally has nothing to do with 3000 civilians who died in 9/11)

There are no military operations in Crimea. The whole purpose of building that bridge was a supply route for civilian population there, as Ukrainians blocked them from the north. So, it's not some "self defense" by Ukraine. This is sheer terrorism.

[Mazdatruck]

There are no military operations in Crimea. The whole purpose of building that bridge was a supply route for civilian population there, as Ukrainians blocked them from the north. So, it's not some "self defense" by Ukraine. This is sheer terrorism.

The bridge was a supply line for Russian armaments and troops in a time of war

Daycares in the US care for the children of the people working at the weapons factories in Tennessee and Washington.

If a civilian bridge is now a "military target" then so are the daycares and weapons factories in the terrestrial United States.

The roads and bridges that lead to the weapons factories are also open targets.

If there are civilians on those bridges, well too damn bad.

Right?

This is Osama Bin Laden logic.

[Mazdatruck]

The bridge was a supply line for Russian armaments and troops in a time of war

Airports and seaports in Poland and Italy are now on the table.

This is how the US is "arming" Ukraine afterall.

Same with ships on the open ocean and jets in the sky.

Russia taking those targets out would just be preventing military aggression (and terrorism) in a time of war.

[Drip_Torch]

Drip … could there be a correlation between the train and truck and bridge? Could the train have triggered something ?

I can't think of one. The blast was right where it has been previously postulated to have the most effect. How do I put it? Ugh, there was target painted months ago and somehow this incident hit the bullseye. Still not convinced it was the truck, matter of fact I have doubts, but if it was the truck, we can pretty much rule out western influence in the operation.

There are no military operations in Crimea. The whole purpose of building that bridge was a supply route for civilian population there, as Ukrainians blocked them from the north. So, it's not some "self defense" by Ukraine. This is sheer terrorism.

By "there are no military operations in Crimea", you must mean Russia isn't actively shelling and bombing civilian targets there, today - right? There are all sorts of military operations in Crimea and the Kerch Bridge is was a vital piece of military logistics infrastructure.

[Mazdatruck]

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[Drip_Torch]

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[Mazdatruck]

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[my5cents]

The bridge was a supply line for Russian armaments and troops in a time of war

Airports and seaports in Poland and Italy are now on the table.
This is how the US is "arming" Ukraine afterall.
Same with ships on the open ocean and jets in the sky.
Russia taking those targets out would just be preventing military aggression (and terrorism) in a time of war.

At this moment there is no clear indication that Ukraine was involved. It seems likely, and if Ukraine was involved it was brilliant, this attack on this structure makes compete military sense.

It's not even in question that the Kerch bridge was used by Russia to move weapons and supplies to support the invasion of Ukraine. I invite anyone questioning this to look at a map.

Russia is at war with Ukraine, started by Russia invading Ukraine without provocation. Ukraine is in a defensive position. A standard military tactic is to slow or stop routes of supply and re-supply of the enemy, that is standard.

As for Russia attacking sources of supply to Ukraine, like US ships and aircraft, that's a bit dicey. It's not just the US, many countries providing aide. These countries are giving support in the form of supplies and weapons to the victim of an invasion. Russia would be attacking these conveyances in international waters or in/over countries that are not Russia and could result in escalation even as minor as the US (or other allied countries armed forces) escorting such shipments creating direct conflict between the allies and the Russian military.

I don't think Russia, even with it's already illogical invasion tactics, wants to be involved in conflict with allied forces in international waters (for example). Russia hasn't done that well fighting Ukraine (and Russia picked the time and the place), it doesn't want to come up against the US military (for example) it wouldn't end well.

"Russia taking those targets out would just be preventing military aggression (and terrorism) in a time of war.", So, Mazdatruck, you define a country defending itself from an invading country as "military aggression" ? "terrorism" ?? They should ? roll over, plant flowers, beg for mercy ?

[Mazdatruck]

So, Mazdatruck, you define a country defending itself from an invading country as "military aggression" ? "terrorism" ?? They should ? roll over, plant flowers, beg for mercy ?

Remember that Russia invaded Ukraine to prevent being invaded and taken over by NATO ;)

Should Russia have just rolled over and planted flowers and begged NATO for mercy?

[The_quiet_one]

Drip … could there be a correlation between the train and truck and bridge? Could the train have triggered something ?

I can't think of one. The blast was right where it has been previously postulated to have the most effect. How do I put it? Ugh, there was target painted months ago and somehow this incident hit the bullseye. Still not convinced it was the truck, matter of fact I have doubts, but if it was the truck, we can pretty much rule out western influence in the operation.

There are no military operations in Crimea. The whole purpose of building that bridge was a supply route for civilian population there, as Ukrainians blocked them from the north. So, it's not some "self defense" by Ukraine. This is sheer terrorism.

By "there are no military operations in Crimea", you must mean Russia isn't actively shelling and bombing civilian targets there, today - right? There are all sorts of military operations in Crimea and the Kerch Bridge is was a vital piece of military logistics infrastructure.

Thank you drip. I was thinking about this pondering thoughts while awake at 0300, lol.
I find you very educated and well thought out posts. I appreciate that.

[Mazdatruck]

As for Russia attacking sources of supply to Ukraine, like US ships and aircraft, that's a bit dicey. It's not just the US, many countries providing aide. These countries are giving support in the form of supplies and weapons to the victim of an invasion. Russia would be attacking these conveyances in international waters or in/over countries that are not Russia and could result in escalation even as minor as the US (or other allied countries armed forces) escorting such shipments creating direct conflict between the allies and the Russian military.

US/NATO/Ukraine forces have already attacked civilians inside Russia (car bomb) and targets inside Russia (airbase and bridge) and international waters (pipeline).

There is already a direct conflict between Russia and the US. The US admitted they have a large troop presence on the ground in Ukraine and have been directing and assisting their forces with US satellites.

Ukraine does not have a space program do they? How are they using satellite targeting systems?

Could Ukraine stand on their own? Not at all.

When will Russia decide they are not actually fighting Ukraine but the US?