Ukraine war/President/news

[Drip_Torch]

We don't need to make an obscure connection between Russian Alexei Milchakov and Nazism. We can just take his word for it. He's a Nazi and he enjoys the smell of burning flesh.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41GKy-HJQgg

[Jlabute]

Thank you drip...

You're welcome. Not that I'm sharing an expert opinion on the matter.

Came across these images and frankly they give rise to more questions than answers.
Switching gears to the news. Russian news, which apparently to the spaghetti logic crowd is western propaganda.
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Fear is the big theme of the day. Russian Media Monitor ---> https://twitter.com/i/status/1579168584445886464

Yup, looks scorched on top. I wouldn't have considered this if the explosion was by sea vessel of some sort. Still appears like a truck to me. The truck driver would had timed the blast with the train carrying fuel, which would had been easy.

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[Mazdatruck]

Where do you get these ideas ?

Facts:
• Ukraine isn't a member of NATO
• NATA is a group of countries that have agreed, that IF any one of them are attacked, they agree to protect the attacked country
• If Ukraine had been a member, Russia wouldn't have invaded

NATO (which is a military force) expanded into 14 countries since first promising Russia that they would expand into zero countries. None of these expansions were done because of the threat of Russia, but instead, under the guise of expanding the economic reach of the West which happens to be backed with NATO nuclear weapons.

NATO wants to sell Europe oil and gas and they want to take that market away from Russia.

All these "expansions" moved military hardware and troops closer and closer to Moscow.

When Ukraine started flirting with NATO, Russia warned them they would not tolerate it, just like the US would not tolerate nukes in Cuba. The US regime-changed Ukraine in 2014 and the rest is history.

If you are suggesting we would have given article 5 protection to Ukraine, you just make Russia's point for them.

You can hit Moscow in less that 3 minutes from the Ukraine border with a nuke.

NATO also regime-changed Libya (richest country in Africa) when Gaddafi said he was creating his own oil exchange in Dinars and not US dollars. Was that defence? How's Italy doing since we blew up their neighbour?

[Mazdatruck]

Link works just click.

The causes and consequences of the Ukraine war A lecture by John J. Mearsheimer

I'd like to debate specifically the 31:00 minute mark onward where he talks about what the now head of CIA former Ukraine ambassador said in 2008 to Condoleezza Rice about what the US thought would happen if NATO flirted with Ukraine.

"Russia would view this as a direct act of war" - Angela Merkel - 2008 memo to the White House - when she wouldnt agree to push forward to bring Ukraine into NATO

[Silverstarqueen]

Link works just click.

The causes and consequences of the Ukraine war A lecture by John J. Mearsheimer

I'd like to debate specifically the 31:00 minute mark onward where he talks about what the now head of CIA former Ukraine ambassador said in 2008 to Condoleezza Rice about what the US thought would happen if NATO flirted with Ukraine.

"Russia would view this as a direct act of war" - Angela Merkel - 2008 memo to the White House - when she wouldnt agree to push forward to bring Ukraine into NATO

And now, 14 years later, Russia has given Ukraine and Nato an excellent demonstration as to exactly why it would benefit all, if Ukraine joined NATO. Had ukraine been part of NATO, Russian would not have been able to invade Ukraine. NATO forces would have had to defend and would have been all over those Russian invaders like hornets.

[Mazdatruck]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

The Monroe Doctrine was a United States foreign policy position that opposed European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. It held that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers was a potentially hostile act against the United States.[1] The doctrine was central to American foreign policy for much of the 19th and early 20th centuries.[2]

President James Monroe first articulated the doctrine on December 2, 1823, during his seventh annual State of the Union Address to Congress (though it would not be named after him until 1850).[3] At the time, nearly all Spanish colonies in the Americas had either achieved or were close to independence. Monroe asserted that the New World and the Old World were to remain distinctly separate spheres of influence,[4] and thus further efforts by European powers to control or influence sovereign states in the region would be viewed as a threat to U.S. security.[2][5] In turn, the United States would recognize and not interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal affairs of European countries.

By the end of the 19th century, Monroe's declaration was seen as a defining moment in the foreign policy of the United States and one of its longest-standing tenets. The intent and effect of the doctrine persisted for over a century, with only small variations, and would be invoked by many American statesmen and several American presidents, including Ulysses S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan.

After 1898, the Monroe Doctrine was reinterpreted by Latin American lawyers and intellectuals as promoting multilateralism and non-intervention. In 1933, under President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the United States affirmed this new interpretation, namely through co-founding the Organization of American States.[6] Into the 21st century, the doctrine continues to be variably denounced, reinstated, or reinterpreted.

[PoplarSoul]

War criminal Vladimir Putin killing the same people who voted in a referendum to annex their city to Russia.
Not very nice.

The city is under Ukrainian control, but it is part of a region that Russia says it annexed last month.

The BBC's Paul Adams, who was recently in the city, says the buildings struck are not obvious military targets and the attacks seem entirely indiscriminate.

More than 60 civilians are understood to have been killed in and around Zaporizhzhia in the past nine days.

The Ukrainian regional governor in Zaporizhzhia, Oleksandr Starukh, said 12 Russian missiles had partially destroyed a nine-storey building, and levelled five other residential buildings.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63190844

[Tyrian-Quill]

yup


We are in the year 2022 - Ukraine is a independent country, what Ukraine does- Putin gets no legitimate say in it - (over done fini.) End of story.

Pertinent information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukra ... eferendum

[Mazdatruck]

Funny how "independent" Ukraine wouldn't be allowed to not join with the US.

If Ukraine decided to truly be neutral, the US would undermine that, as shown over the negotiations over the last year.

[Mazdatruck]

And now, 14 years later, Russia has given Ukraine and Nato an excellent demonstration as to exactly why it would benefit all, if Ukraine joined NATO. Had ukraine been part of NATO, Russian would not have been able to invade Ukraine. NATO forces would have had to defend and would have been all over those Russian invaders like hornets.

1. Push Russia into a war for 14 years.

2. When Russia defends itself, blame Russia for their "aggression".

[Drip_Torch]

Link works just click.

The causes and consequences of the Ukraine war A lecture by John J. Mearsheimer

I'd like to debate specifically the 31:00 minute mark onward where he talks about what the now head of CIA former Ukraine ambassador said in 2008 to Condoleezza Rice about what the US thought would happen if NATO flirted with Ukraine.

And, I'd like to discuss "The Case for a Ukrainian Nuclear Deterrent" and the logic of proliferation by *checks notes* John J. Mearsheimer. But I suspect you'll just glaze over and ignore it, like you do with the Budapest Memorandum and any mention of how Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a violation of nuclear non-proliferation agreements and international law.

*sigh* - Kind of pointless attempting to discuss anything with you.
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[Drip_Torch]

For every action...

[BC Landlord]

For every action...

Politicians' talks. As if delivering sophisticated air defense systems to Ukraine is an easy task, let alone the cost to the taxpayer. Who is to guarantee they would even reach Ukraine? You may call Putin whatever you want, but he ain't stupid.

[PoplarSoul]

Idolize war criminal Vladimir Putin all you want, but illegally invading Ukraine isn't that bright.
It comes with repercussions.

[BC Landlord]

Idolize war criminal Vladimir Putin all you want, but illegally invading Ukraine isn't that bright.
It comes with repercussions.

One doesn't need to be a Putin supporter to foresee a calamity coming Ukraine's way, if their government doesn't come to terms with reality, and soon. All I'm currently seeing there is massive destruction, civilian casualties, and loss of territory on Ukrainian side, and very little if any of that on the Russian side. I am also seeing a major energy crisis and economic devastation in Europe.
And it can only get worse, unless a reasonable peace is negotiated.