Ukraine war/President/news

[PoplarSoul]

Russia is trying to negotiate.

Before and after the illegal invasion of Ukraine, Zelensky asked numerous times for war criminal Vladimir Putin to come to the table and negotiate.
He refused every time.
He had his chance.

[BC Landlord]

The annexation of Crimea was about getting access to a warm water port. This all about the money and power. The recent invasion of Ukraine again is about money and trying to get ahold of the resources and industrial capacity of Eastern Ukraine.

Russia already had access to warm water port in Crimea. Sevastopol is a major Russian naval base, and it's been in Russian hands ever since. And why would resources uber-rich Russia go after such a small and resources not so rich region such as Donbas? It doesn't make any sense.

[Mazdatruck]

He had his chance.

So, nuclear war?

You have a bunker?

[BC Landlord]

Before and after the illegal invasion of Ukraine, Zelensky asked numerous times for war criminal Vladimir Putin to come to the

Since 2014, eight long years have passed in unsuccessful negotiations, and only because of Ukrainian government's unwillingness to negotiate open issues in good faith.

[BC Landlord]

Before and after the illegal invasion of Ukraine, Zelensky asked numerous times for war criminal Vladimir Putin to come to the table and negotiate.
He refused every time.
He had his chance.

No. Since the 2014 coup, eight long years of unsuccessful negotiations on open issues have passed, and only because Ukraine government's unwillingness to negotiate in good faith.
Also, over that time, the only things Ukrainian government has accomplished is to antagonize and terrorize parts of their own population, as well as to economically bring Ukraine down on its knees thorough mass corruption and mismanagement. Once prosperous country, Ukraine nowadays is the most impoverished and backward country of all former Soviet republics. Even worse, just before this war, it rated #100 for GDP/capita worldwide. And that's well below Gabon, Botswana, and Equatorial Guinea. Failed country!

[PoplarSoul]

No. Since the 2014 coup, eight long years of unsuccessful negotiations on open issues have passed, and only because Ukraine government's unwillingness to negotiate in good faith.
Also, over that time, the only things Ukrainian government has accomplished is to antagonize and terrorize parts of their own population, as well as to economically bring Ukraine down on its knees thorough mass corruption and mismanagement. Once prosperous country, Ukraine nowadays is the most impoverished and backward country of all former Soviet republics. Even worse, just before this war, it rated #100 for GDP/capita worldwide. And that's well below Gabon, Botswana, and Equatorial Guinea. Failed country!

Why is war criminal Vladimir Putin mingling into Ukrainian Government's affairs?

[LazyChris]

The annexation of Crimea was about getting access to a warm water port. This all about the money and power. The recent invasion of Ukraine again is about money and trying to get ahold of the resources and industrial capacity of Eastern Ukraine.

Russia already had access to warm water port in Crimea. Sevastopol is a major Russian naval base, and it's been in Russian hands ever since. And why would resources uber-rich Russia go after such a small and resources not so rich region such as Donbas? It doesn't make any sense.

Sevastopol was in Russian hands but tell me how you get your freight through to that port when before 2014 is was completely surrounded by Ukraine? Imagine this Quebec decided to seperate and take the St Lawrence Seaway with them. Think the the rest of Canada might be a little *bleep*?

[BC Landlord]

Why is war criminal Vladimir Putin ...

Just repeating that "war criminal" ad nauseum won't advance any argument.

[LazyChris]

There are no good guys in this scenario.

Agreed. However.

Russia is trying to negotiate. US is underminding negotiations and Biden said the other day no negotiations.

When talking about destoying the entire planet that we all live on over this one single issue...

... the person saying "convo off" is the bad guy.

Putin is not trying to negotiate at all, thats BS. He has be wailing since the beginning about using Nukes. Imagine someone pointing a gun at you and telling you they really want to negotiate. Are you believing that?

[PoplarSoul]

Why is war criminal Vladimir Putin ...

Just repeating that "war criminal" ad nauseum won't advance any argument.

That's what he is.
Sorry if it bothers you.

[BC Landlord]

Sevastopol was in Russian hands but tell me how you get your freight through to that port when before 2014 is was completely surrounded by Ukraine?

Hmmm, .. by trains, trucks, and some by air, like any landlocked country would do, I guess. Why does it matter? And speaking of freight ports, Russia already has at least two major ports in the area, Rostov and Novorossiysk. No need to "invade" anything for that.
You still don't make any sense.

[Mazdatruck]

Agreed. However.

Russia is trying to negotiate. US is underminding negotiations and Biden said the other day no negotiations.

When talking about destoying the entire planet that we all live on over this one single issue...

... the person saying "convo off" is the bad guy.

Putin is not trying to negotiate at all, thats BS. He has be wailing since the beginning about using Nukes. Imagine someone pointing a gun at you and telling you they really want to negotiate. Are you believing that?

Russia has been looking for a negotiation to keep NATO from advancing towards their country (pointing a gun at Russia) for decades.

Since the West has made it clear there is no negotiations and they are pushing forward to make Ukraine part of NATO Russia is going to show the West that Ukraine will be a giant pile of rubble before they let NATO move into their backyards and point guns at their heads.

In the end Ukraine will be destroyed United States weapon manufacturers will make billions of dollars and Russia will get what they want in the end.

If we push Russia they will nuke us back we are barking at their door with our nuclear weapons and talking about regime changing their country - the country that illegally invaded Iraq and Syria and Libya and has been going around the globe for the last 40 years regime changing governments and illegally invading countries and supporting dictators and setting up torture camps. Putin will not let that happen to Russia and they will nuke the world before that happens.

Either you commit nuclear suicide or you accept that you cannot control what Russia does.

[Mazdatruck]

Well we sent 15 million more to Ukraine to fight the evil of Vladimir Putin, but in August the Canadian government shipped 132 million dollars of military vehicles to the Saudi Arabian Royal Family.

These are vehicles that they used to drive over protesters and drive gay people into the town squares to get beheaded.

Aren't we glad we sent millions of dollars to Ukraine to stand up against evil - we're standing up for freedom and democracy! We're such good Canadians!

Meanwhile the former anti-war left is too busy talking about pronouns and giving children hormones to do anything about the risk of global thermonuclear war. This is why they distracted everybody with identity politics because now the real issues are not even being discussed. Do you think anybody cares what somebody's pronouns are in a fallout shelter?

[Drip_Torch]

Well we sent 15 million more to Ukraine to fight the evil of Vladimir Putin, but in August the Canadian government shipped 132 million dollars of military vehicles to the Saudi Arabian Royal Family.

These are vehicles that they used to drive over protesters and drive gay people into the town squares to get beheaded.

Aren't we glad we sent millions of dollars to Ukraine to stand up against evil - we're standing up for freedom and democracy! We're such good Canadians!

Meanwhile the former anti-war left is too busy talking about pronouns and giving children hormones to do anything about the risk of global thermonuclear war. This is why they distracted everybody with identity politics because now the real issues are not even being discussed. Do you think anybody cares what somebody's pronouns are in a fallout shelter?

We sent 15 million more to Ukraine. A Canadian Corporation sold 132 million dollars' worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia in August. There's a difference, I doubt you understand it.

Do I think anyone cares about pronouns in a fallout shelter? Well, one take a look around you, there are no fallout shelters and two no, the only person that cares enough about pronouns to start killing people is the odd, very odd, lone wolf terrorist in the Western World and Vladimir Putin.

It's not the west that is threatening you, or anyone else. Send missiles into a country and that country will develop, acquire or be given missile defense systems.

Yes, I'm glad we're stand up for self-determination, international law and freedom. I'm even more glad that you're such a fringe in Canadian society that you don't even have a political party to represent you in Ottawa.

[Drip_Torch]

I'm going to switch it up a bit. Instead of reading the subtitles in this clip out of Russia, read the body language.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1580678838778204161

There are a couple interesting and new analysts suggesting Moscow is seriously running out of missiles, specifically the KH-101. They're viewing the components in the missile that struck missed the Klitschko Bridge during the October 10 barrage. There are a few different things being looked at, but it's the batch number and date stamp on this relay that I'll run you through.



Basically, the premise is Moscow is liquidating the old stuff first, before dipping into the new stuff. Right now, production capacity of this type of missile is known to be 3/month. This relay chip is showing a production date of March 2019. Then it sat in a warehouse, got shipped, sat in a warehouse and eventually was assembled into a missile. Obviously, the missile is much newer than the relay chip.

There are two different analysts looking at this and the consensus seems to be Russia likely doesn't have a huge stockpile of these missiles if they are making it from the shelf to the field that fast. (Some of the artillery shells they are using were boxed before the Korean war.)

Here's an article on the use and failure rate that is being observed on this particular type of long-range missile.

Russia’s war on Ukraine has exposed problems with Moscow’s long-range air-launched cruise missile inventory, with the weapons suffering from an unexpectedly high failure rate according to the United States.

https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-bal ... g-up-short

The Cavell Group is reporting Ukrainian progress, Russia is still putting up a fight (for reasons not so apparent) around Bakhmut and the big news of the day seems to be the mass mutiny/surrender and another ammo storage facility hit hard in Belgorod, Russia last night - which might mean they got the lights back on in that region.



How's the mobilization going? Let's see. This young fellow, who was a department head for the city of Moscow, was drafted on the 23rd of September and is already home on the 13th of October.