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I like how the spin is "Russia needs money", cause as we all know OUR Ukie bucks aren't borrowed at all

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Also according to our propaganda the world is united as one, under the banner of Freedom and Democracy, against them evil Rooskies... so who is buying their debt??
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Frustrating, all I can find on Google are a bunch of articles about how the ruble is the strongest performing currency this year.

Scary when you think of it though, Russias fake news propaganda is able to manipulate our perception of the currency market such that it appears their currency is stronger! Craziness, whereas we all know their economy is crushed under the effect of our might sanctions!

Why have Western imports of Russian oil, gas and minerals skyrocketed this year? Who cares! Fake news.
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Western propaganda:

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"Bombing peaceful cities will not lead to victory on the battlefield!" Russian panelist on TV debate.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ru ... e68df06913
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Nov 22nd, 2022, 12:52 pm "Bombing peaceful cities will not lead to victory on the battlefield!" Russian panelist on TV debate.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ru ... e68df06913
It must be embarrasing to admit they cant beat ukraine fairly . American weapons are too much and the ukrains will to win is dominant on the battlefield :up:
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The Americans better decide what they are doing here. Our leaders have staked a lot of US/West/NATO legitimacy on Ukraine. Its absolutely terrible optics to have the Russians dismember Ukraine's entire electrical infrastructure while we stand by going "Gloves? You guys need some gloves and hats? We got tons, no worries, yay freedom"

And no, Ukraine is not winning on the battlefield, don't fool yourself. Those American weapons are propping up a corpse.

So what options do the Yanks have? I think #1 is say "*bleep* it, we are taking Russias $300bil FX reserves" Thats a big escalation but not military, so Russia would have a hard time responding, they cant sell us any less gas. Not sure what the economic blowback would be though. But it could be justified as saying "Oh, its to rebuild Ukraine".

But this is getting stupid, our leaders have no clue.
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The American weapons are indeed making a difference in Ukraine.

These are American missile fragments that were found after Ukrainian once again tried to shoot down Russian missiles and failed - and instead managed to strike their own apartment building - just like they killed Polish citizens the other day with S-300 missiles.

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Russia doesn't need to strike apartment buildings in Ukraine, they're after military and infrastructure targets. Remember these pictures, remember the Polish accident every time they say "Russia struck a flat" or "Russia bombed a playground" - these are lies, this is incompetent Ukrainian air defence at work.
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Our narrative is *bleep* in the head. Without direct Western military intervention Ukraine is hooped. End of story. And likely even in that case.

All those headlines of "Well, if they just had more stingers/drones/tanks they'd be fine" are dangerously incorrect.

So, Biden, Tbag and the rest - whats it gonna be? WW3 or Peace? But stringing this along is just gonna mortal enemies of Ukraine once they see how we played them.
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gertlush wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 2:11 pm Without direct Western military intervention Ukraine is hooped.
Well, direct western military equipment for sure. The US and Europe are passing on satellite information as well.
Direct western troops, nope, not yet and unlikely. The citizens in those western countries will not tolerate western boots on the ground unless that country is itself attacked.

IF, the true losses suffered by Russia become common knowledge of the Russian people, there will be Russian push-back from its citizens.

Issue to date is much of what is going on with their illegal and repugnant invasion of a soverghn country has been sanitized.
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Most of the serious western commentary i see mentions casualty ratios of 1:8 for Russia, due to their massive fire superiority. And enough has been trickling out to make it plausible, the WaPo has done some good reporting.

What makes you think we have any idea what is going on in Russia or what they are hearing? CNN??
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A question for Biden, Turdeau, Macron, this weeks UK PM: If you call Russia a terrorist state, and Putin Hitler, and all the other vitriol, but then stand by and do sweet fanny annie.. doesn't that make you just as bad?

Or, at the minimum, a colossal tool? Its not helping anyway so maybe....*bleep*?
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gertlush wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 10:35 pm Most of the serious western commentary i see mentions casualty ratios of 1:8 for Russia, due to their massive fire superiority. And enough has been trickling out to make it plausible, the WaPo has done some good reporting.

What makes you think we have any idea what is going on in Russia or what they are hearing? CNN??
Watch Russia one. It's a great show and gives you hard insight into what Russians are being told about the war. Not a whole lot of happy chat, but they don't have much, if anything, to be happy about. Russia is sponsoring terrorism and Wagner has put out some remarkable displays, even in the last 24 hours, through their affiliates Grey Zone and Rybar.

Sledgehammers, apparently a more versatile tool than I would have ever imagined. Personally, I think WaPo is sparing you a whole lot of vicarious traumas and is sensitive to the fact that what goes into your noggin never gets erased. The on the ground realities of this war are brutal and it's hard to imagine what is going through the minds of the Russians persecuting this war through Putin. I suspect it's all a big succession exercise at this point.

Stand by? Who is standing by? Are you really that oblivious to everything that is happening to Russia today? It's in a recession, it's under attack from within, it just issued 13.6 billion dollars in debt (an economy with a GDP less than Canada and almost 4 times the public to service) as well as it's in a war in a foreign country and is struggling to supply its untrained soldiers with boots or socks.

They've lost more soldiers in nine months, in this war, than the USA has lost in every war they have been in since the Korean War. It's unsustainable. Even for a tyrant that doesn't give a flying :cuss: about his population or human life.

Bleak times ahead for Russians.

(Oh, and PS; Canada, the USA and UK aren't in the EU. Maybe consult a map while you're formulating your opinions?)



Hot of the press... Crying, sighing and lying. Vladimir Solovyov puts on one his best performances yet.



He gave up his Italian villa... [icon_lol2.gif] Yeah sure, in a seized, sanctioned and taken from him, sort of way.

This is what the equivalent of between 1 million (modified S-300) and 13 million (KH 101) dollars does for Russia.

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... and this is what a few thousand does for Ukrainians the day following.

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Not quite sure where to start, other than saying look to Michael Hudson for example on difference between real economy and financial economy. Russia builds spaceships, we play real estate, guess what, both get counted as GDP.

Guess what else... the $100bill we have sent to Ukraine... debt...

Guess what else... Goldman, JP etc are all buying/trading Russian bonds and making bank on it

Wasn't aware the US had been in any full scale mechanized land conflicts since Korea, am I missing something here?
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gertlush wrote: Nov 25th, 2022, 10:14 am Wasn't aware the US had been in any full scale mechanized land conflicts since Korea, am I missing something here?
First one comes to my mind is Operation Desert Shield, 1990-1991. "The Battle of Medina Ridge was a tank battle fought on the 27 February 1991, during the Gulf War, between the U.S. 1st Armored Division and the 2nd Brigade of the Iraqi Republican Guard Medina Luminous Division outside Basra, Iraq."

"The 1st Armored Division, commanded by Major General Ron Griffith, consisted of some 3,000 vehicles including 348 M1A1 Abrams tanks."
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gertlush wrote: Nov 25th, 2022, 10:14 am Not quite sure where to start, other than saying look to Michael Hudson for example on difference between real economy and financial economy. Russia builds spaceships, we play real estate, guess what, both get counted as GDP.

Guess what else... the $100bill we have sent to Ukraine... debt...

Guess what else... Goldman, JP etc are all buying/trading Russian bonds and making bank on it

Wasn't aware the US had been in any full scale mechanized land conflicts since Korea, am I missing something here?

"We" seems to mean a number of things above, but I'm not going into fiscal policy because it's far too much like math and I suck at maths. A record 13.6 billion last week, who knows what goes on the market this week, but it's currently going for 10.06% for 52 weeks. Right in line with that other fiscal basket case, Venezuela.

A number of other posters on here have regularly told me this isn't any different than the US and their wars.

They often confront me with a list, something like this one...

1960–1975 Vietnam War United States and South Vietnam vs. North Vietnam
1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion United States vs. Cuba
1983 Grenada United States intervention
1989 U.S. Invasion of Panama United States vs. Panama
1990–1991 Persian Gulf War United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq
1995–1996 Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina United States as part of NATO acted as peacekeepers in former Yugoslavia
2001–2021 Invasion of Afghanistan United States and Coalition Forces vs. the Taliban regime in Afghanistan to fight terrorism
2003–2011 Invasion of Iraq United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq
2004–present War in Northwest Pakistan United States vs. Pakistan, mainly drone attacks
2007–present Somalia and Northeastern Kenya United States and Coalition forces vs. al-Shabaab militants
2009–2016 Operation Ocean Shield (Indian Ocean) NATO allies vs. Somali pirates
2011 Intervention in Libya U.S. and NATO allies vs. Libya
2011–2017 Lord's Resistance Army U.S. and allies against the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda
2014–2017 U.S.-led Intervention in Iraq U.S. and coalition forces against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
2014–present U.S.-led intervention in Syria U.S. and coalition forces against al-Qaeda, ISIS, and Syria
2015–present Yemeni Civil War Saudi-led coalition and U.S., France, and Kingdom against the Houthi
rebels, Supreme Political Council in Yemen, and allies
2015–present U.S. intervention in Libya U.S. and Libya against ISIS

My point is Russia has lost more Russians in this war than the USA lost in all the conflicts above. I wasn't aware that it was okay to lose more soldiers based on the type of war a country decided to engage in. Maybe, just maybe, Russia shouldn't have engaged in a "full-scale mechanized land conflict".

They don't seem very good at it.
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