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Mazdatruck wrote: Nov 27th, 2022, 11:11 am
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That's impossible.

We were told Russia run out of missiles 8 months ago and are too dumb to make new ones.
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Even Steven wrote: Nov 27th, 2022, 7:28 pm We were told Russia run out of missiles 8 months ago and are too dumb to make new ones.
Russians aren't stupid. Anyone that can make a missile from washing machine parts is pretty clever in my mind.

Apparently they are still getting western components from shell companies.
Regardless, Ukraine will be in hard this winter however the thought of being under Russian rule will have Ukrainians, I suspect toughing it out. The west will do their best to help with humanitarian aid as well as more military hardware to keep the ruskies at bay the best they can.

Poo-tin is inflicting untold hardship on the Ukrainians for what end? he wants Ukraine under his sphere of influence and Ukraine wants to lean to the west. Insecure little man.
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Saturday Night in Kyiv.

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Sunday Morning arrival of Scott Kelly in Kyiv.

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I'm not convinced this is what a breaking point looks like, but I differ to the experts that can copy/paste 4 (almost 5)-day old images from Black Marble. (Before you tell me I suck at math - I know, but that's not what's going on here. It appears the twitter user you scooped the image from, acquired it from a browser in eastern Europe.)

I do requests...
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The last grid attack was I believe 6/7 days ago. I'm sure there will be another, but there likely won't be as many of those Shahed 136 Iranian drones. The Iranian drone instructors and drones were involved in a smoking accident a few days back. While we're on the topic... anyone have any ideas why the Russians are sending concrete filled cruise missiles without warheads? Seems counter-intuitive to me, but perhaps they just have so many of them, they don't even need to detonate them anymore.
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Wow! Scott Kelly!! Uhh.. who is that?

Interesting news on Polish military graveyard for the roughly 1200 soldiers theyve had killed in Ukraine so far.
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Also the Ukie refugees living on a moored cruise ship in Scotland and health concerns there. People hopefully starting to realize that "Huh, 'whatever it takes' means in practice keeping a bunch of foreigners moored on cruise ships.... forever..."
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seewood wrote: Nov 27th, 2022, 7:55 pm The west will do their best to help with humanitarian aid as well as more military hardware ...
[icon_lol2.gif] Yeah the West is doing their best. :up:

Breaking News: European top officials accuse USA of war profiteering. We all know it. We all know why not one :cuss: in USA government mentioned the word "peace" or "negotiate."
We all know why Ottawa - our leaders - gave Zelensky three standing ovations. That guy was a godsend for USA and Canadian warmongers.

Go watch Jimmy Dore - Europe Accuses U.S. Of War Profiteering Off Ukraine
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Drip_Torch wrote: Nov 27th, 2022, 9:52 pmWhile we're on the topic... anyone have any ideas why the Russians are sending concrete filled cruise missiles without warheads? Seems counter-intuitive to me, but perhaps they just have so many of them, they don't even need to detonate them anymore.
Few reasons - one is overloading their defence units. When too many targets show up, Ukrainians can only target a certain number so while they deal with decoys, the real missiles fly where they need to be flying.

And another reason - probably a more important one. Ukrainians keep their defence radars offline because when they're online they can be easily targeted by anti-radar missiles or planes or artillery and instead rely on NATO radars working outside of their airspace (NATO planes and drones) to feed them information and they involve their SAMs only at the last moment. So, Russia is in the dark about their SAMs positions. By launching dummy missiles, they force Ukrainian SAM radars to come online, capture their locations, and destroy them.
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Even Steven wrote: Nov 29th, 2022, 4:25 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Nov 27th, 2022, 9:52 pmWhile we're on the topic... anyone have any ideas why the Russians are sending concrete filled cruise missiles without warheads? Seems counter-intuitive to me, but perhaps they just have so many of them, they don't even need to detonate them anymore.
Few reasons - one is overloading their defence units. When too many targets show up, Ukrainians can only target a certain number so while they deal with decoys, the real missiles fly where they need to be flying.

And another reason - probably a more important one. Ukrainians keep their defence radars offline because when they're online they can be easily targeted by anti-radar missiles or planes or artillery and instead rely on NATO radars working outside of their airspace (NATO planes and drones) to feed them information and they involve their SAMs only at the last moment. So, Russia is in the dark about their SAMs positions. By launching dummy missiles, they force Ukrainian SAM radars to come online, capture their locations, and destroy them.
TIL, thanks for this.
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Mazdatruck wrote: Nov 29th, 2022, 4:39 pmTIL, thanks for this.
NP. That's one of the reasons why Russia hasn't been using bomber planes for strikes inside Ukrainian territory (outside of tactical strikes close to the front lines) and relying on missiles and drones. The risk to lose a whole lot of planes to S-200/300 is too high as the country is still filled with SAMs, and they hide them really well by keeping them offline and relying on data fed by NATO.

If it wasn't for NATO data and satellites, Ukrainian SAMs would be long gone, and with total domination in the air, the war would be over cause any military unit, any truck, and any train carrying military targets would be fair game to fighter bombers.

You can actually see the drones/surveillance planes activity on flight radar:

Here's one flying in Romania without entering Ukrainian air space and risking anything:

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Here's one flying over Black Sea and monitoring anything that happens in Crimea:

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Very interesting, I mean that implies real-time coordination with the Ukies. I guess we all kind of knew it was happening but to see the proof. You do hear of US advisors attached at pretty much every level of command.

I guess its the same way "Ukrainians" have been able to so rapidly deploy HIMARS to great effect. And probably why so much hesitation to have "Ukrainians" operating Patriot batteries in Ukraine.
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Heres a nice quote from Kissinger

"The demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy. It is an excuse for not having one."
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And a thought experiment for our freedom luvvin folk:

If you have an argument with your partner, you generally realize afterwards, on reflection, that some of your actions caused it.

So does the same apply to conflicts among states? I guess the alternative is we are just super awesome people who are always right. Comforting isn't it?
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Even Steven wrote: Nov 29th, 2022, 4:25 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Nov 27th, 2022, 9:52 pmWhile we're on the topic... anyone have any ideas why the Russians are sending concrete filled cruise missiles without warheads? Seems counter-intuitive to me, but perhaps they just have so many of them, they don't even need to detonate them anymore.
Few reasons - one is overloading their defence units. When too many targets show up, Ukrainians can only target a certain number so while they deal with decoys, the real missiles fly where they need to be flying.

And another reason - probably a more important one. Ukrainians keep their defence radars offline because when they're online they can be easily targeted by anti-radar missiles or planes or artillery and instead rely on NATO radars working outside of their airspace (NATO planes and drones) to feed them information and they involve their SAMs only at the last moment. So, Russia is in the dark about their SAMs positions. By launching dummy missiles, they force Ukrainian SAM radars to come online, capture their locations, and destroy them.
That all makes perfect sense, but they are using 13-million-dollar missiles designed to carry a nuclear payload.

"Dummy missiles" indeed.
gertlush wrote: Nov 29th, 2022, 8:22 pm Very interesting, I mean that implies real-time coordination with the Ukies. I guess we all kind of knew it was happening but to see the proof. You do hear of US advisors attached at pretty much every level of command.

I guess its the same way "Ukrainians" have been able to so rapidly deploy HIMARS to great effect. And probably why so much hesitation to have "Ukrainians" operating Patriot batteries in Ukraine.
There have literally been news stories with video footage from NATO AWACS aircraft showing the level of cooperation. Of course, those have also been mainstream media reports and we all know how some people view the legacy media reports. I don't believe NATO has invited any grassroots live streamers onto their platforms as of yet.

Each passing missile strike brings those Patriot batteries closer to Ukraine. Germany committed a system to Poland and then decided it wants to send it into Ukraine for maximum effect. Of course, that is problematic to NATO and hasn't happened yet.
gertlush wrote: Nov 29th, 2022, 9:28 pm And a thought experiment for our freedom luvvin folk:

If you have an argument with your partner, you generally realize afterwards, on reflection, that some of your actions caused it.

So does the same apply to conflicts among states? I guess the alternative is we are just super awesome people who are always right. Comforting isn't it?
I'd suggest if your partner starts shooting at you and blowing things up around the house, you're really not in a good partnership and you should probably leave said union. I believe it's called irreconcilable differences. The only remedy is separation and firm boundaries to limit future interactions. (But, I'm not a marriage counselor.)
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Patriots aint gonna happen. Even if it did why wouldnt Russia just blow everything up before they arrive? And guaranteed they would target them heavily so that bodies start coming back to Germany and USA USA

Interesting that when we blow up infrastructure its "shock and awe" and when the Rooskies do it its "genocidal war crimes".
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gertlush wrote: Nov 30th, 2022, 10:58 am Patriots aint gonna happen. Even if it did why wouldnt Russia just blow everything up before they arrive? And guaranteed they would target them heavily so that bodies start coming back to Germany and USA USA

Interesting that when we blow up infrastructure its "shock and awe" and when the Rooskies do it its "genocidal war crimes".
There's a whole long list of things Russia would blow up before it arrived, but they haven't been able to do that.

Just for fun I'm going to post this latest picture of Girkin the sewer rat. He was recently convicted for bringing down MH 17 and if this is the full extent of his freedom for the rest of his life, it's fitting. He should be spending his days in a hole in the ground.

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The Russian rhetoric is heating up again and Russians are now being told if they lose this war with Ukraine, all of them (146 million last I checked) will be on trial at the Hauge. This is an example, but the theme is being followed on all the talk shows of the last couple of days.



I could list others.

There's another conscription coming and this one will likely be accompanied by some form of martial law to keep civil unrest down.

In other news, stuff keeps failing with the energy and power infrastructure in Russia. The thermal power plant in Perm and a major fuel depot in Bryansk - smoking accidents in the last 24 hrs. It's going to be a long cold winter in parts of Russia.

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