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Lol snap.
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gertlush wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 5:18 pm I was looking 6 feet underground, no wonder I missed them. Or Im just a couple weeks too early.
Here, this one will be a little easier for you. How many Russians from the 155th Separate Marine Brigade do you see in this picture?

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Yes I believe I read about that engagement, in the South if I recall correctly. An object lesson in the dangers of the modern battlefield and, most important, the huge impact of Western ISR in helping Ukrainians conduct their defense. The sheer number of mines Ukraine has laid in that area was a contributing factor.

But as I've mentioned before - the Russians aren't Supermen and they also make mistakes. Shall I post some vids/pics of the routes out of Bakhmut?
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Drip_Torch wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 6:43 pm Here, this one will be a little easier for you. How many Russians from the 155th Separate Marine Brigade do you see in this picture?
Kind of morose pic but the slaughter of ill equipped and ill trained Russian conscripts is rather sad.
Also rather sad is the continual drivil from the "devils' advocates"
There is a lot of history in Ukraine that is recent. The eastern Russian speaking parts at one time wanted to lean to Russia while the central and western areas of Ukraine wanted to lean west. The governments after 1991 leaned to Russia and after 2014 and the recent election of Zelensky the Ukrainian bent was to the west and joining the EU.
Not sure how much of the eastern parts of Ukraine still want to be aligned with the corrupt Russians but pretty sure the rest of Ukraine would like to align with the west.
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As a comeback, that was as weak as sleepy Joe running up the plane stairs lol. Not really worth 5 minutes spent with MS Paint.
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seewood wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 7:21 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 6:43 pm Here, this one will be a little easier for you. How many Russians from the 155th Separate Marine Brigade do you see in this picture?
Kind of morose pic but the slaughter of ill equipped and ill trained Russian conscripts is rather sad.
Also rather sad is the continual drivil from the "devils' advocates"
:smt045

Yep, morose indeed, but the loss of Russian life doesn't seem to matter much to some on here. I was careful not to link to the higher resolution picture, because I realize not everyone that frequents this thread is looking at this as if it's a big video game playing out.

The intention was a wake up call, but I suspect it will miss the mark with a couple on here.
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Even Steven wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 7:28 pm As a comeback, that was as weak as sleepy Joe running up the plane stairs lol. Not really worth 5 minutes spent with MS Paint.
[icon_lol2.gif] a much better comeback
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seewood wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 7:21 pm
Drip_Torch wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 6:43 pm Here, this one will be a little easier for you. How many Russians from the 155th Separate Marine Brigade do you see in this picture?
Kind of morose pic but the slaughter of ill equipped and ill trained Russian conscripts is rather sad.
Also rather sad is the continual drivil from the "devils' advocates"
There is a lot of history in Ukraine that is recent. The eastern Russian speaking parts at one time wanted to lean to Russia while the central and western areas of Ukraine wanted to lean west. The governments after 1991 leaned to Russia and after 2014 and the recent election of Zelensky the Ukrainian bent was to the west and joining the EU.
Not sure how much of the eastern parts of Ukraine still want to be aligned with the corrupt Russians but pretty sure the rest of Ukraine would like to align with the west.
Yes, Richard Sakwa and Gordon Hahn have published excellent books on the subject, noting the schisms within Ukraine. You wanna borrow my copies? Or Twitters a good source for knowledge too :biggrin:
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Why don't you guys look up the Uni of Ottawa professor who has done the best, most in-depth analysis of Maidan and what truly happened there. Or Vikki Nuland is just a wholesome American gal, believe what you want I guess.
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gertlush wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 8:10 pm
seewood wrote: Mar 15th, 2023, 7:21 pm

Kind of morose pic but the slaughter of ill equipped and ill trained Russian conscripts is rather sad.
Also rather sad is the continual drivil from the "devils' advocates"
There is a lot of history in Ukraine that is recent. The eastern Russian speaking parts at one time wanted to lean to Russia while the central and western areas of Ukraine wanted to lean west. The governments after 1991 leaned to Russia and after 2014 and the recent election of Zelensky the Ukrainian bent was to the west and joining the EU.
Not sure how much of the eastern parts of Ukraine still want to be aligned with the corrupt Russians but pretty sure the rest of Ukraine would like to align with the west.
Yes, Richard Sakwa and Gordon Hahn have published excellent books on the subject, noting the schisms within Ukraine. You wanna borrow my copies? Or Twitters a good source for knowledge too :biggrin:
Gordon Hahn is an expert in Russian politics. Perhaps that explains your lack of understanding?

The Russian border stops at Ukraine and has since 1991. Ta-da! If you want to understand the Revolution of Dignity (and I realize you don't) and the Orange Revolution that proceeded it, you'll need to consider the Ukrainian perspective on it all.

(I feel like we could be on the verge of a breakthrough here.) :smt045
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Look at the now very openly published stories of Ukie soldiers "You go to Bakhmut to die". And what do they all say? The shells, the shells. Russia has a now 10:1 artillery advantage. And yet somehow our media publishes stories about Ukraine "grinding up" Russian units by a 5:1 kill ratio. No. They are being sacrificed to buy time.

Time for what? Well, look at Austins comments in Rammstein. The time to pony up is now, send it if you got it cause Ukraine is goin all in for some hail mary spring offensive. Wacht am Rhein redux? It won't get past the start line.
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Ukraines political reality is to maintain support they must be seen to be attacking. And the only axis is clearly telegraphed to anyone who looks at a map. Using a bunch of cast off gear, burned out vets, teens and other misc? Its gonna be a slaughter, Im sorry, I hope they don't try.
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MEDIA ADVISORY: Camera footage release from U.S. Air Force MQ-9 interaction with Russian SU-27 in Black Sea

The video is out and it shows a number of things. One, the video released yesterday on Russian channels wasn't from this incident. The weather doesn't match. Two, the fuel dump wasn't an accident. Three, the prop did get hit. Four, pick around a few of the other videos on the Dvids site and you'll see this isn't exactly a one off incident.

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Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft operating within international airspace over the Black Sea on March 14, 2023. Russian Su-27s dumped fuel upon and struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. (U.S. Air Force video)

(Editor's Note: This declassified video has been edited for length, however, the events are depicted in sequential order.)
https://www.dvidshub.net/video/876667/u ... -intercept

*** An interesting story on the Wagner Group and its use of convicts.
Reuters tracked down and interviewed five Russian prisoners who fought in Ukraine in return for freedom. They gave the most detailed insider account yet of Wagner's convict army.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... ia-wagner/

*** Prigozhin himself has a new interview out. He figures the higher ups recognize his ambition and are clipping his wings.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1636127574622347267

(Don't worry G, I'm sure someone will write a book about all this in a few years and you'll be able to come back and John Waynesplain it all to me then. *wink*)
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Imagine the size of balls to need to ram a drone up in the air. Americans thought they were untouchable ... Until a pesky Russian pilot asks his buddy to hold his beer.
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Thanks for posting that Reuters one on Wagner, Id read it previously. Really confirms a lot of the points Ive been making and a very savvy, almost brilliant move on the Russians part to generate forces.

We are getting close to a breakthrough here :up:

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