Ukraine war/President/news

[gertlush]

I'm not sure about any escalation to nukes, what would the US launch a nuke at exactly, Moscow? And they know Russia has a counterstrike ability.

They can argue that a first strike will take out Russia's upper leadership and they can quickly seize power.

The US used 2 nuclear weapons on 2 civilian cities in WWII and told Japan "we'll keep melting children in their cribs unless you surrender" in indirect terms. They did that to prevent the US from fighting a long, drawn out war with Japan. The US invaded Iraq illegally to kill Saddam, their former employee. The US invaded Grenada with their military to capture a CIA employee. The US entered Pakistan and assassinated Osama, totally illegally, because it suited them.

The US is not above launching a nuclear weapon and taking out a entire city to take out Putin.

Calling Putin a "war criminal" means there is no dialogue with Russia. The next move is either trying to kill Putin with a airstrike or WWIII. If the US "misses" a attempt to assassinate Putin it will be unreal so they cant miss - hence a nuke.

Joe Biden is not calling up a "war criminal" on the phone to talk it out now.

You guys don't realize what is going on.

That seems very unlikely. Nuke Moscow and "seize power"... what stops the Russians from launching a counterstrike? I don't think the American civil body would condone that either.

Principles are malleable, war criminal today, trusted friend tomorrow. We have seen this before. if Vlad called Joe up and said "Lets get China!" Theyd give him a ticker tape parade.

[gertlush]

God I just love this stuff sometimes.

US bans Russian airlines from our airspace.
Ok says Russia, we'll do the same.
American airlines start losing business to other airlines who can still take polar routes over Russia.
American airlines whine to Gov "waaahhh, its not fair, ban those other airlines"

[Mazdatruck]

That seems very unlikely. Nuke Moscow and "seize power"... what stops the Russians from launching a counterstrike? I don't think the American civil body would condone that either.

US/NATO are already attacking inside Russia.

US /NATO used a drone to attack a nuclear weapons air force base inside Russia.

US/ NATO flew a drone with a transponder off right through a area that Russia has closed off and moreless forced the Russians to take it down "Go on hit me, go on, hit me, what are you chicken?"

US/NATO have openly said they want to take over Russia / regime change Russia

US/NATO just issued a death warrant (arrest warrant for war crimes) for Putin.

The US (as crazy as it sounds) is trying to elicit a "counterstrike" from Russia.

What stops Russia from launching a full counterstrike? The CIA probably has plans in place to disrupt communications in Russia and has a few generals that they have turned they can pressure to "coup" Russia by promising them money and power.

The US launches a stealth sneak attack nuclear strike and take out Putin and most of his crew (and maybe a entire city too). They dont see the missile coming so there can only be a counterattack after the first bomb goes off- but Putin and his entire Government are dead. Who is giving the order to attack?

In the confusion, Russia's military would be leaderless and in that time of confusion that's when the CIA turns of every computer and telephone in Russia for a few hours and (they hope) they manage to contain the military in a coup quickly enough to seize control of the nukes.

Sounds crazy but remember the US cooked 2 Japanese cities alive to prevent their soldiers from having to do beach landings in Japan. The US would rather kill women and children and use nuclear blackmail to win wars, rather than let their soldiers fight.

If the US has to kill a million Russia civilians, so what? You know how many hundreds of thousands of American lives would be lost in a long drawn out conventional war with Russia and China? Much easier just to nuke a city.

That's how the US thinks.

[Mazdatruck]

The ICC charging Putin with war crimes and the same week the US congress amending their war powers act allowing them to use whatever means of force available to kill or capture people charged with war crimes is not fluke.

The US did it with Iraq, then invaded and killed leader

The US did it with Libya, invaded and killed leader

The US did it with Osama Bin Laden, entered country illegally killed women and children and murdered Osama.

They can't capture Putin and any attempt to do so would result in reaction from Russia, international outrage.

The only option is to murder him and they can't miss if they try. After the fact the US can say whatever they want.

Getting the public to accept it - when did Canada and the US "check in with the people" about starting World War 3 in Ukraine? You could get the entire left behind a nuclear strike against Russia by simply saying that Putin wants to take hormone blockers away from children. The entire left wing would be saying "NUCLEAR STRIKES ON RUSSIA NOW!".

There is no anti-war movement at all. You are entire pro war world war 3 or pro Putin.

[GordonH]

The ICC charging Putin with war crimes and the same week the US congress amending their war powers act allowing them to use whatever means of force available to kill or capture people charged with war crimes is not fluke.

The US did it with Iraq, then invaded and killed leader
Saddam Hussein wanted to go back to using the gold standard in selling Oil.
The US did it with Libya, invaded and killed leader
Muammar Gaddafi also wanted to go back to using the gold standard in selling Oil.
The US did it with Osama Bin Laden, entered country illegally killed women and children and murdered Osama.
Osama Bin Laden was a wanted man, dead or alive for the Airliner attacks on US soil.
They can't capture Putin and any attempt to do so would result in reaction from Russia, international outrage.

The only option is to murder him and they can't miss if they try. After the fact the US can say whatever they want.

Getting the public to accept it - when did Canada and the US "check in with the people" about starting World War 3 in Ukraine? You could get the entire left behind a nuclear strike against Russia by simply saying that Putin wants to take hormone blockers away from children. The entire left wing would be saying "NUCLEAR STRIKES ON RUSSIA NOW!".

There is no anti-war movement at all. You are entire pro war world war 3 or pro Putin.

I have absolutely no trust in any World Leaders, especially those with the biggest militaries or just a nutcase.
USA
Russia
China
North Korea (this is the nutcase)

[KiloHotel]

The ICC charging Putin with war crimes and the same week the US congress amending their war powers act allowing them to use whatever means of force available to kill or capture people charged with war crimes is not fluke.

The US did it with Iraq, then invaded and killed leader

The US did it with Libya, invaded and killed leader

The US did it with Osama Bin Laden, entered country illegally killed women and children and murdered Osama.

They can't capture Putin and any attempt to do so would result in reaction from Russia, international outrage.

The only option is to murder him and they can't miss if they try. After the fact the US can say whatever they want.

Getting the public to accept it - when did Canada and the US "check in with the people" about starting World War 3 in Ukraine? You could get the entire left behind a nuclear strike against Russia by simply saying that Putin wants to take hormone blockers away from children. The entire left wing would be saying "NUCLEAR STRIKES ON RUSSIA NOW!".

There is no anti-war movement at all. You are entire pro war world war 3 or pro Putin.

HUUURRR DUURRRR YOU'RE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST HURRR DUURRRR STAND WITH UKRAINE BRO (figuratively speaking, never on a real front line or anything, just to virtue signal)

[Babba_not_Gump]

Ukraine girls rock.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/who-if-not ... -1.6319129

[gertlush]

Interesting, so latest rumblings are of an Ukie counterattack in the Bakhmut area, potentially within next few weeks. Could be disinformation though and theyd still go for the Crimean land bridge.

Personally I don't think the Americans will allow them to go in the Bakhmut direction, theres no real strategic objective for them that way. Maybe they hope they can still recover those 2 Provinces? Donestk and Luhanks were already lost to them anyway prior to 2022.

[gertlush]

Ukie probing attacks in that Southern area already. Just seems like insanity for Ukrainians to attack - as soon as they cross the start line they'll be getting hit. And to date in this conflict they haven't launched a large scale attack against Russian troops, much less Russians with total fire superiority and greater numbers.

[seewood]

Chinese president meeting with poo-tin at the moment.
Who thinks poo-tin asks for Chinese weapons to continue his desire to take over Ukraine?

Who thinks China will give offensive weapons to Russia?

Who thinks that Xi will want to see their weapons used to kill Ukrainian citizens in the invasion?

Would Xi be ok with the backlash if their missiles and other munitions were used in the illegal invasion?

Oh, and the US is not attacking Russia, Ukrainians might have deployed some behind the border operatives to muck things up a bit, but to have any mention that the US has attacked anything on Russian soil without proof is pure folly.

[Thinktank]

Ukraine News you won't see on your stupid TV - An entire generation of Ukrainian men are being lost, she pleaded, noting that “recruits” are now being violently seized off the streets. Oyyy - that's not good.

"and you sickening war generals who sit in here and will these men to their deaths

you make me sick"

^ Only Jimmy Dore will tell the truth - everyone else is sickening

[Mazdatruck]

Chinese president meeting with poo-tin at the moment.
Who thinks poo-tin asks for Chinese weapons to continue his desire to take over Ukraine?

Who thinks China will give offensive weapons to Russia?

Who thinks that Xi will want to see their weapons used to kill Ukrainian citizens in the invasion?

Would Xi be ok with the backlash if their missiles and other munitions were used in the illegal invasion?

Oh, and the US is not attacking Russia, Ukrainians might have deployed some behind the border operatives to muck things up a bit, but to have any mention that the US has attacked anything on Russian soil without proof is pure folly.

Russia is not "taking over Ukraine".

The United States/NATO is trying to take over Ukraine.

The United States regime changed Ukraine in 2014 and Joe Biden put his drug addict son in Ukraine's biggest energy company. The United States was trying to take over Ukraine and were in thr process of scraping out everything of value in the country.

Russia has stopped the US from taking over Ukraine.

Make sure your terminology is correct!

[Drip_Torch]

Russia is not "taking over Ukraine".

On this much we can agree.

[oldtrucker]

It's all fun and games until nato, ahem, Ukrainian forces encounter north Korean and chinese troops helping Russia

[Mazdatruck]

If the US catches China helping Russia what are they going to do? The US can't afford to sanction China and they can't just attack China and Russia at the same time.

Looks like Uncle Sam's just going to have to sit on his hands and take it.