Ukraine war/President/news

[gertlush]

^^^ and the alternative is what exactly?

Treat em like we would any country in the Global South - ignore the problem so it goes away.

[Silverstarqueen]

No guarantee the Russians would not also murder, rape, enslave, steal everything from the remaining women, children, and old folks who did nothing more than try to escape bombs.

143 million people live in Russia.

Lots of women and children none slaves none raped by the Government.

People going to school, church, starting businesses, getting married, having babies.

Is this what your brain looks like on Western Propaganda?

Vlad The Impaler?

Isn't that what the Ukrainians were doing before Putin started bombing people in their homes, invading and attacking Ukrainians, starving ukrainians in church basement shelters?
Is that Russia's idea of how to treat ukrainians? In over a year, Russia has failed to win over the hearts and minds of ukrainians, so how will they do it?

[gertlush]

Sort of like how the average Afghani was herding goats before somebody dropped a bomb on them in the name of freedom?

[Mazdatruck]

Isn't that what the Ukrainians were doing before Putin started bombing people in their homes, invading and attacking

Ukrainians were busy giving Hunter Biden the crackhead a US Presidential nepotism job for $70,000/month to sit on the countries biggest energy company. Corrupt Ukrainian leaders were also busy letting the US Government come into their country and prostitute it out to US business interests, leaving the people of Ukraine scraps. It was the most corrupt country in Europe after all.

Then - Ukrainians decided it was a good idea to openly proclaim that they would be turning into a country that is openly hostile towards Russia, a nuclear superpower in which Moscow is the capital only a few hundred kilometers away. Russia has been warning against such things for the last 20 or so years but Ukraine said it anyways. "We want to kill Russians and join NATO!"

Russia said nope. That's all.

Ukraine was not minding it's own business.

[nucksRnum1]

People are using Putin and his alleged war crimes to make parallels against Bush in Iraq.

[gertlush]

It seems increasingly unlikely Ukraine will launch any kind of counter attack at this point. It would only lead to the loss of their last remaining forces. More likely theyll retain it to try and keep some leverage in peace talks. But what we, and Ukraine might find, is once we cry Uncle and want peace the Russians may not be accomodating and will decide to finish the job.

[GordonH]

People are using Putin and his alleged war crimes to make parallels against Bush in Iraq.

impo George W. was just finishing what his Daddy had started by any means possible even a BS story of WoMD.

[seewood]

Belarus suggests a cease fire but Russia says that won't help its goals...: https://globalnews.ca/news/9592573/bela ... ire-calls/

So what are those goals poo-tin? attempt to land lock Ukraine? install a Russian friendly government in Kiev? Steal more washing machines for the chips they hold? Rape more Ukrainian women? Take more Ukrainian children to Russia after killing their parents? Goals to be admired I'm sure.

Pootin is a pathetic insecure head of state in the lines of other tin-pot dictators past and present.

[Silverstarqueen]

It seems increasingly unlikely Ukraine will launch any kind of counter attack at this point. It would only lead to the loss of their last remaining forces. More likely theyll retain it to try and keep some leverage in peace talks. But what we, and Ukraine might find, is once we cry Uncle and want peace the Russians may not be accomodating and will decide to finish the job.

Of course the Russians won't quit, regarless of peace efforts, that's not their goal to have this end peacefully. They might go thru the motions of some peace talks to keep the dogs away, but then the talks will "fail", and they will carry on bombing Ukrainins. They want to crush the Ukrainians and take their country. Why would they settle for anything less, when they can just take Ukrain if they want to? In for a penny, in for a pound.

[gertlush]

They don't want Ukraine, why would they? It's a corrupt *bleep*, they'd prefer to dominate it economically and politically but without occupation. Sort of the American template, buy off the elites etc.

And thats why the Ukrainians are unlikely to attack. Losing their last army will just open them right up. Better to maintain it to secure the new borders that Russia decides on.

[Thinktank]

In for a penny, in for a pound.

Did you ever see a more beautiful sight? flushing $billions to keep the blood flowing in Ukraine's killing fields?

Now be honest, people. Is that the most wonderful thing you ever saw?

Three freaking war pigs - happy to steal $hundreds of billions from us, and so very very happy.

Be honest. I would never feel like throwing up after seeing that. never.

[65deluxe]

It seems increasingly unlikely Ukraine will launch any kind of counter attack at this point. It would only lead to the loss of their last remaining forces. More likely theyll retain it to try and keep some leverage in peace talks. But what we, and Ukraine might find, is once we cry Uncle and want peace the Russians may not be accomodating and will decide to finish the job.

Of course the Russians won't quit, regarless of peace efforts, that's not their goal to have this end peacefully. They might go thru the motions of some peace talks to keep the dogs away, but then the talks will "fail", and they will carry on bombing Ukrainins. They want to crush the Ukrainians and take their country. Why would they settle for anything less, when they can just take Ukrain if they want to? In for a penny, in for a pound.

Yeah but remember what Sleepy Creepy Joe said, a little incursion was okay

[Drip_Torch]

Of course the Russians won't quit, regarless of peace efforts, that's not their goal to have this end peacefully. They might go thru the motions of some peace talks to keep the dogs away, but then the talks will "fail", and they will carry on bombing Ukrainins. They want to crush the Ukrainians and take their country. Why would they settle for anything less, when they can just take Ukrain if they want to? In for a penny, in for a pound.

Yeah but remember what Sleepy Creepy Joe said, a little incursion was okay

Nah, forget the nonsense. What he said, in the days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, was...

“It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion, and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera. But if they actually do what they’re capable of doing with the force amassed on the border, it is going to be a disaster for Russia.”

It was a response that left room for a nuanced US approach to the growing certainty around Russia taking action in Ukraine. He never said, suggested, or even hinted that "a little incursion was okay".

That's simply Kremlin spin echoed by Tankies.

[65deluxe]

Yeah but remember what Sleepy Creepy Joe said, a little incursion was okay

Nah, forget the nonsense. What he said, in the days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, was...

“It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion, and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera. But if they actually do what they’re capable of doing with the force amassed on the border, it is going to be a disaster for Russia.”

It was a response that left room for a nuanced US approach to the growing certainty around Russia taking action in Ukraine. He never said, suggested, or even hinted that "a little incursion was okay".

That's simply Kremlin spin echoed by Tankies.

I stand corrected Drip_Torch. Thanks

[Drip_Torch]

Nah, forget the nonsense. What he said, in the days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, was...



It was a response that left room for a nuanced US approach to the growing certainty around Russia taking action in Ukraine. He never said, suggested, or even hinted that "a little incursion was okay".

That's simply Kremlin spin echoed by Tankies.

I stand corrected Drip_Torch. Thanks

Scary times with all the misinformation floating around. Almost everyday I see a Sun Tzu quote that isn't real and completely misattributed. (and sure, I even made one up myself in this thread - ) Of course, that's just the tip of the iceberg and like every war the first victim was truth.

Anyways, a little early for April Fools Day, but I appreciate the attempt by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation all the same...





70 square kilometers since January, last I checked. At this rate, provided they can keep this pace up, Russia will take Kyiv sometime in the year 2625. But, I don't expect to be around to see it.

Just in... Navel News article.

France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program
Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France. The United States is also providing key elements, including interim submarines for the Royal Australian Navy.

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The upgraded program will be renamed FUKUS after France joins. Following the expected formal announcement, the submerge à trois will become a submerge à quatre. Boris Johnson, who was among the leaders who originally announced the AUKUS program, is said to be keen to join the celebrations. A Downing Street spokesperson has preemptively denied the existence of the planned catered business meetings.

It is understood that Canada will not be allowed to join FUKUS for common decency reasons.

Full article: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... e-program/