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Mazdatruck wrote: May 10th, 2023, 3:42 pm The US regime changed Europe's most corrupt country in 2014. By 2020 the President of The United States crackhead son was sitting on Ukraines biggest energy company making 70,000 dollars a month doing absolutely nothing but being the President's son. There was also a massive coverup story put out by the CIA, FBI, Twitter, Facebook and The Democratic Party 2 weeks before the Trump/Biden Presidential election that Hunter Biden's laptop showing all his sketchy deals in Ukraine was "Russian disinformation". Every mainstream media company was not allowed to talk about Hunter Biden the crackhead getting paid 70,000 dollars a month in Ukraine - which is now the melting pot of a potential World War 3.

The US tried to take over Ukraine and hollow it out for American oligarchs (like Hunter Biden)
:dash: OK, believe what you may. Definitely not my storyline regarding the reason Russia invaded Ukraine. :up:
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seewood wrote: May 10th, 2023, 3:57 pm :dash: OK, believe what you may. Definitely not my storyline regarding the reason Russia invaded Ukraine. :up:
Does your storyline involve a power hungry Putin that wants to steal Ukraine and start taking over Europe?

Does the US regime change in 2014 and the US pressuring Ukraine to join NATO and almost 20 years of documented statements saying that Russia will not accept Ukraine as a NATO country because it's a great big threat to Russia play any part of this storyline? There are years and years worth of youtube speeches by Putin saying that Ukraine in NATO is a threat to his country that Russia will not accept. Are we ignoring that completely?

At it's base do you believe Russia when they say that Ukraine involved in NATO is a threat to their country?

Alternatively, do you think Russia is making everything up about Ukraine/NATO being a threat and their goal is just simply to conquer European nations and subjugate the population with violence and intimidation?
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Load up the car boys, we're going raping and pillaging in another country.
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Who's going to argue?

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Mazdatruck wrote: May 10th, 2023, 6:11 pm Does your storyline involve a power hungry Putin that wants to steal Ukraine and start taking over Europe?
Pootin wanted Ukraine under Russian sphere of influence. The Ukrainian government after 1991 was Russian friendly.
people got sick and tired of the corruption and low standard of living under those governments and could see Poland and other ex Warsaw Pact countries now starting to comparatively prosper.
Ukraine voted in without any candidates coming down with Novachock, a more western friendly government.
Pootin was pizzed and out and out lied about not invading Ukraine.
Pootin does not believe NATO is a reactionary only force, other than the Balkans in the 90's, and continually fears NATO will invade Russia.
When Russia has nukes for this very scenario, give NATO some credit for being smart enough to leave Russia to its own devices.
Pootin does not want to take over Europe, that's a daft idea, Pootin, given the chance, wanted to have some if not all the old warsaw pact countries back in Russia's fold again. However these countries, other than Ukraine, could read pootins' lousy poker face and joined NATO to dissuade Pootin from trying.

I just had a look at a Wiki explanation of what happened up to and after 2014. Not once was the US mentioned but Russia was as they were advising the corrupt president of Ukraine to not join the EU although the majority in the Ukraine parliament did vote to join. : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
Mazdatruck wrote: May 10th, 2023, 6:11 pm At it's base do you believe Russia when they say that Ukraine involved in NATO is a threat to their country?
I believe Russia are stupid enough to say and believe that, yea sure. I and apparently many NATO countries say they are not a threat to Russia.
Mazdatruck wrote: May 10th, 2023, 6:11 pm Alternatively, do you think Russia is making everything up about Ukraine/NATO being a threat and their goal is just simply to conquer European nations and subjugate the population with violence and intimidation?
Yep, they are delusional in thinking NATO would cross any Russian border in an act of aggression. Russia subjugate the population with violence and intimidation?? Naaa not Russia. However the Ukrainians would have something to say about that, likely some Afghans as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM
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seewood wrote: May 10th, 2023, 9:18 pm Yep, they are delusional in thinking NATO would cross any Russian border in an act of aggression.
Appreciate your response. You're misunderstanding the situation. Please reconsider the position of Russia here regarding NATO weapon systems. NATO isn't going to just invade, the plan is to surround Russia with anti-missile systems that will render Russia's nuclear defence useless. This is part of a multi-staged weapons system. They attack Russia, Russia defends itself, they shoot down Russia's missiles then counter attack with their own. Russia would now be unable to defend itself. This is why they developed the stealth underwater doomsday drone. You might be able to destroy Russia but not before they let those drones loose and 6 months from now LA, Seattle, Portland, New York, Miami and Washington are hit with ground-burst large megaton spiked dirty bombs. Russia developed that technology because they were delusional about the threat they faced?

Additionally those anti-missile systems can be changed to offensive nuclear missiles within minutes. There has been a balance of power that has kept the world from going to war and the United States it trying to end that. Putting those so-called anti-missile weapon systems was Poland was already very provocative of NATO.

I'll also point out the cat is out of the bag now. The goal is regime change in Russia. They want to arrest Putin and try him in a kangaroo court and kill him. They won't un-charge Putin. Joe Biden can't un-say that they want to regime change Russia. The goal is (and always was) to break up Russia and sell it off the American And European Corporations - just like they want to do in Ukraine. Putin's life is on the line and now he's making decisions based on our desire to kill him. Smart or not smart?

Here is "pootin" in 2016 specifically talking about the NATO threat.

Everyone knew what Russia's reaction would be. They did it anyways.

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Fun fact: Over half of the 23 former Berkut Officers suspected of gunning down protestors during the last days of the Euromaidan protest have been given shelter (citizenship, refugee status) in Russia. Victor Yanukovych, himself exiled in Russia, has denied everything, including his phone calls with President Putin and meeting with Putin's adviser Vladislav Surkov after the first days of the protest.

On March 1, 2014 Yanukovych signed an appeal to Putin, calling on him to use the Russian armed forces against Ukraine. Which of course, Putin did, but on the sly and under the cover of a rebellion. Staged and fronted in the early days by one of my favourite follows, former FSB officer "Girkin".

The cause of the Euromaiden (Revolution of Dignity) was Yankovych reneged on his election promises to align with the EU and started selling out Ukrainian interests to Russia for personal kickbacks. (As is the Russian way.) There was no coup. The Gov't didn't get replaced, the corrupt president was removed from office and caught a helicopter to Moscow.

Nice friendly Russians in Estonia... https://twitter.com/i/status/1656224698894524416

(Estonia being one of the many countries Russia "liberated" in WWII by taking it over with occupation forces until the collapse of the Soviet Union.)

On all this imaginary NATO dialogue, myself, I prefer to look to the words of the President of Russia himself.
On the topic of Ukraine’s accession to NATO, the Russian President said that it was entitled to make the decision independently. He does not see it as something that could cloud the relations between Russia and Ukraine. But President Putin stressed that Russia’s position on the expansion of the bloc remained unchanged.
Now maybe that's just propaganda? It is after-all on the President of Russia's website and who in their right mind believes anything he says? http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/43122

NATO, NATO, NATO, according to the Tankies, but Putin hasn't always seen things that way.
The document created the NATO-Russia Council within which the sides will act “as twenty” instead of the earlier “19+1” formula. The summit participants also adopted a joint statement reaffirming their commitment to mutually beneficial cooperation aimed at strengthening European security.

The signing of the Rome Declaration gives a start to building a fundamentally new relationship between Russia and NATO. The Rome document is not a statement of intent, but a solid foundation for joint constructive work, Vladimir Putin told the summit.

The decision to put the Russia-NATO relationship on a new footing was welcomed by millions of Russians. A harmonious coordination of actions in many areas opens up broad opportunities for creating a common security space from Vancouver to Vladivostok, President Putin stressed.

He thanked the heads of state and government of NATO countries for their understanding and for changing their position with regard to Russia. Twenty influential states have displayed awareness of the common basic security interests in the fast-changing modern world, Mr Putin stressed.

For Russia, given its geopolitical situation, the deepening of equal interaction with NATO is a practical manifestation of its multi-faceted approach to which there is no alternative and to which we are firmly committed, President Putin said. He said Russia could not imagine itself outside Europe, but it was equally inconceivable to underestimate the role of the time-tested mechanisms of cooperation in Asia and the CIS.
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As predicted the Ukrainians are deferring their offensive. Zman made those remarks today, in summary "need moar gunz"

Yet, 2 weeks ago, Stoltenberg NATO guy said Ukraine had received 98% of promised equipment necessary for counter offensive.

Do ya see??

England is sending longer range cruise missiles, that'll spice things up a bit, but just another token really.
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Ahaahaha, speaking of Ukrainian fakes, lies, and made-up BS:

Look at the proud mayor of Kiev standing next to the Kinzhal missile they shot down. And the basic schematics of the Kinzhal missile with the dimensions next to it.

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Try to find any similar part on that schematics. Try to find anything that looks even remotely similar:

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But hey, here's a garden-variety bomb that gets thrown at them every day - looks eerily familiar, especially without the booster engine attached. Look at the holes on the supposedly "Kinzhal" missile they're proudly showing and where the holes are on the bomb:

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Kупа дурниці indeed [icon_lol2.gif] :biggrin:
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As soon as they said a Patriot shot it down the BS detector went off [icon_lol2.gif]
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Ukraine shot down 40 of 36 missiles a couple nights ago
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Rumours that Zaluzhny was killed in a missile strike. No confirmation yet, he missed a NATO meeting but his secretary said he was busy doin other stuff.
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Nah, doubt it.

Probably has more pressing issues at hand.
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Zelensky is to busy hiding in a bunker Poland or Finland snorting that cocaine
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Not going to lie, it's still good to see humanity prevail every now and then. :smt045

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^^^^^ one lucky fellow, with common sense to boot.

Watching him step over all his dead comrades was an eye opener. Sad really, needless waste of life if Pootin just kept his word and did not invade.
What a wasteland.

Go home Russia, time to call it a day.
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