Ukraine war/President/news

[seewood]

The United States invaded Ukraine in 2014.

memory might not be as good as in years past, however I cannot find any news story anywhere that President Obama initiated an invasion of Ukraine. Saying otherwise is silly.

Ukraine is not sovereign.

Says who ? pretty sure they are a member of the UN as a sovereign country with internationally recognized borders.

[JLives]

My uncle made a successful trek from Canada, via Istanbul, and texted me a picture of him at the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Moscow this morning. I told him he's a crazy person but he is gung ho on being back to work after being stuck in Canada for almost 4 years. I sure hope this doesn't escalate further.

I'd be more worried about RCMP/CSIS suddenly paying very special attention to your dad once he returns.

My uncle. He's not coming back aside from visits. He has a business established there that he's headed back to. He's an audio engineering wizard. And just honestly loves living there.

[Mazdatruck]

Says who ? pretty sure they are a member of the UN as a sovereign country with internationally recognized borders.

Ukraine is about as sovereign as a 15 year old living in Dad's pool house.

[gertlush]

I'd be more worried about RCMP/CSIS suddenly paying very special attention to your dad once he returns.

My uncle. He's not coming back aside from visits. He has a business established there that he's headed back to. He's an audio engineering wizard. And just honestly loves living there.

Doesn't he know our sanctions crumbled their economy to dust?

Or that they're evil commies? One dearly departed poster here told us about the time they went to Russia and big bad men followed them around...ooo scary country!

Anyway good for Uncle,

[Mazdatruck]

I want Russian society to flourish.

I do not want to destroy their society and replace it with my own.

Is that un-Canadian?

So be it.

[Mazdatruck]

Russia and Cuba are getting cozy again.

I'm sure the US will stand by while sovereign nations join hostile military alliances in close proximity to their borders. After all as long as the US doesn't attack Cuba what is the threat?

[Drip_Torch]

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If you watch the second video to the very end, you'll see they've collected almost 3 million dollars for the Special Military Operation Fund.

$3 million. Any day now - right Gman?

[Mazdatruck]

The US is the most war-crazy violent country on the planet.

No other country starts as many wars, kills as many civilians, takes over countries as much as the USA.

If Finland is afraid of Russia, then Central America the Caribbean and even Mexico should certainly fear the USA.

If Finland can join NATO then lets see what happens when countries in our neighbourhood start joining BRICS. After all, as long as the USA doesn't try to invade Cuba ect then there is absolutely no reason to fear weapons 90 miles off the coast of Florida.

NATO logic in our backyard!

[seewood]

I want Russian society to flourish.

As do I and pretty much the rest of the world.

I do not want to destroy their society and replace it with my own.

Nor do I and that would never happen by our accord. if Russia wants what we have, they will change themselves and have done so to some extent the past 30 years.

Is that un-Canadian?

Shouldn't be.

If Finland can join NATO then lets see what happens when countries in our neighbourhood start joining BRICS. After all, as long as the USA doesn't try to invade Cuba etc then there is absolutely no reason to fear weapons 90 miles off the coast of Florida.

And Sweden.
Some countries are labeled as BRIC countries and leaders of other countries will join. I believe Brazil and China will soon be trading in their own currencies. If it works for them, great.
The US will not invade Cuba. I suspect they might have considered it and were drawing up invasion plans in October 1962 but Russia pulled their ballistic missiles out of Cuba and the US pulled their nuclear missiles out of Turkey. Crisis solved.
If Russia can help Cuba with oil and other goods to help the population, that is a good thing. Venezuela tried but Hugo Chavez drove the country to economic ruin with his socialist dreams. Cuba has pretty much all Russian military kit today and suspect that will continue. Defensive kit at that.

Meanwhile back in Ukraine : https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... biztoc.com

Ukraine had better have a terrific plan for trying to take any Russian controlled Ukrainian land back. Going to be a hellish loss for Ukraine otherwise, especially without air support.

[gertlush]

Ukraine had better have a terrific plan for trying to take any Russian controlled Ukrainian land back. Going to be a hellish loss for Ukraine otherwise, especially without air support.

Nuland said the US had been helping plan it for 4-5 months, and Zelensky gave a WaPo interview the other day saying it'll happen soon... again...

Well at least Russia is out of missiles right? Remember those headlines.

But seriously, ya, they are *bleep*

[Mazdatruck]

I suspect they might have considered it and were drawing up invasion plans in October 1962 but Russia pulled their ballistic missiles out of Cuba and the US pulled their nuclear missiles out of Turkey. Crisis solved.

The United States unsuccessfully attempted to invade and occupy Cuba on Apr 17, 1961. This was done because Cuba and Russia were forming a military alliance. In response to the invasion attempt, Cuba requested nuclear weapons to protect themselves from a second invasion. Russia sent nuclear weapons. This is what started the "Cuban missile crisis" and almost ended the world. The United States felt threatened that Cuba was making friends with Russia so they invaded Cuba.

Today, Russia feels threatened that Ukraine was overthrown and being put into NATO.

The United States and Russia behaved exactly the same when confronted with threats on their borders.

[seewood]

The United States unsuccessfully attempted to invade and occupy Cuba on Apr 17, 1961. This was done because Cuba and Russia were forming a military alliance. In response to the invasion attempt, Cuba requested nuclear weapons to protect themselves from a second invasion. Russia sent nuclear weapons. This is what started the "Cuban missile crisis" and almost ended the world. The United States felt threatened that Cuba was making friends with Russia so they invaded Cuba.

Today, Russia feels threatened that Ukraine was overthrown and being put into NATO.

I appreciate your opinion, however wrong for the most part it may be.
Cuban ex-pats that escaped/retreated from Castro's forces trained by the US ( CIA) landed at the Bay of Pigs, Not the US.

Castro nationalized pretty much everything in Cuba including many wealthy American's holdings so kicking Castro out and having corrupt Batista return was in the wealthy's favor. If the US tried themselves, Russia could have very well got involved. Also, The US was very anti communist and Castro being a socialist did not bode well with the paranoid American establishment at the time. Pretty much all socialist/communist countries, were friendly to Russia, the mother ship of communism at the time. India was friendly, an anomaly, but Russian military kit was cheap.
After the October crisis, America seemed to deal with a communist country about 90-200 miles off-shore regardless the amount of Russian welfare bestowed on Cuba.

I'll give you the reason for placing nuclear missiles in Cuba. They did not want to be harassed by the States.

OK

[Mazdatruck]

I appreciate your opinion, however wrong for the most part it may be.
Cuban ex-pats that escaped/retreated from Castro's forces trained by the US ( CIA) landed at the Bay of Pigs, Not the US.

CIA trained, armed, funded and supported.

But not the US.

Serious?

It's tough sticking to US propaganda isn't it?

[one wheel]

Our Mainstream Media couldn't carry a truthful story about the Ukraine war if they had a bucket to put it in ?
Retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor is very knowledgeable about Ukraine & explains that the Russians didn't want a war but wants Ukraine to remain neutral in order to keep NATO & the missiles away from their borders.
It's the US war machine that wanted this war & according to Douglas Macgregor the Russians are as well equipped to fight as the US & are winning the war which is completely opposite of the story the MSM presents ?

[seewood]

Hmm, I know it's from Wikipedia but just another viewpoint regarding Douglas Macgregor:

Douglas Abbott Macgregor (born January 4, 1947)[1] is a retired U.S. Army colonel and government official, and an author, consultant, and television commentator.[2] He played a significant role on the battlefield in the Gulf War and the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. His 1997 book Breaking the Phalanx established him as an influential if unconventional theorist of military strategy. His thinking contributed to the US strategy in its 2003 invasion of Iraq.

After leaving the military in 2004, he became more politically active. In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed Macgregor as ambassador to Germany, but the Senate blocked the nomination. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months. Trump also controversially appointed him to the board of West Point Academy, his alma mater.[3] He regularly contributes to Fox News and Russian state media. His opinions on Russia and Ukraine have caused controversy among other conservatives, including being called a member of the "Putin wing of the GOP" and a fellow traveller.[4][5]

I'd take his dissertations with a grain or two of salt. But whatever, his narrative works for some.

I like Gwynne Dyer's view :

"Western governments stick to the ‘democracy in danger’ line because it resonates far better with their own domestic audiences than some abstract legal argument about defending the international law on the inviolability of borders. However, it’s Ukraine’s whole independent existence that’s at risk, not just its political system.

Russian president Vladimir Putin definitely doesn’t like democracy, and he has been very hostile when countries on Russian’s own borders have democratic revolutions. But the idea that he has embarked on some crusade to crush democracy – indeed, that his ambitions extend beyond the former borders of the old Soviet Union in any way – is simply ludicrous.

In practice, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is the heritage project gone wrong of an ageing dictator. Putin wanted to build a monument to himself by unifying the three countries that were known as ‘all the Russias’ under the Russian Empire (now Russia, Belarus and Ukraine)."