Ukraine war/President/news

[Drip_Torch]

Pavel Gubarev, former "People's Governor" of the Donetsk region, speaks about the war in Ukraine and the future of Russia. Sorry folks, he's not saying anything you want to hear.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Pavel Gubarev, former "People's Governor" of the Donetsk region, speaks about the war in Ukraine and the future of Russia. Sorry folks, he's not saying anything you want to hear.

Harsh, maybe realistic words.

Russia will either win or be destroyed.
I pick the former.
Russia in the first and second world wars had no regard for it's own soldiers. If a million soldiers needed to die in order to kill 100,00 enemy, so be it. The end justifies the means.

And this will hold true in the present war.

Either Russia will disappear or Ukraine will disappear.

[gertlush]

Nah, Russia will demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, the parts not directly annexed will be a neutral state. Done.

That guys some fringe, why else would he be featured on RMM? Its like Sputnik news showing a Lindsey Graham interview.

[gertlush]

Also FWIW the whole "Russian Steamroller" thing has been pretty much debunked, try David Glantz for reference to WW2.

[Drip_Torch]

Pavel Gubarev, former "People's Governor" of the Donetsk region, speaks about the war in Ukraine and the future of Russia. Sorry folks, he's not saying anything you want to hear.

Harsh, maybe realistic words.

Meh, it's realistic enough - unless you take your understanding of modern day Russia from the tribal US Conservative fringes. Imperialism, that's all it's ever been about and it doesn't end in Ukraine.

That's been clear since long before 2014.



Russia will be around at the end of this - the Federation? Probably not so much.

[Even Steven]

When Poland references Ukranian losses as "cheap price to pay to fight Russia" you know what's really going on lol.

Ukraine being used as cannon fodder.

Nobody cares about them.

Cheap meat.

[capleton]

Harsh, maybe realistic words.

Meh, it's realistic enough - unless you take your understanding of modern day Russia from the tribal US Conservative fringes. Imperialism, that's all it's ever been about and it doesn't end in Ukraine.

That's been clear since long before 2014.



Russia will be around at the end of this - the Federation? Probably not so much.

Ukraine lost 17000 troops in September alone in the pathetic counter-offensive. Ukraine will lose badly

[gertlush]

I love the irony of the world's biggest empire accusing others of imperialism... for defending their interests in a country which the world empire invaded

[gertlush]

And ya, despite all the Western pearl clutching, Ukraine getting crushed.

Operation "Run at tha Gunz n die" was, in hindsight, a poor idea

[Drip_Torch]

*removed*

[65deluxe]

Nice to see a bill pass with no more money for the dems endless war...

"The measure does not include additional funding for Ukraine as sought by Democrats..."

https://www.breitbart.com/news/house-pa ... -shutdown/

[Drip_Torch]

Huh, guess I didn't make my point clear enough. Hardly seems off topic to me, so I'll spell it right out.

On September 30th, 1938 Chamberlain sold out Czechoslovakia by allowing a fascist dictator to annex Sudetenland in exchange for peace between Britain and Germany. Suing for peace - I believe they call it.



Of course, Churchill saw it differently and said, “You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.”

I don't think I need to explain to anyone what happened next.

Fast forward 85 years to the day and we have history making a few rhymes.

On this very day in Moscow, a fascist dictator is celebrating the annexation of four Ukrainian territories and in the United States, we have the tribal fringe of the Republican Party attempting to pull funding required to help end the war that was brought to Ukraine.

All in all, I think the funding thing will prove meaningless. I mean, really it is meaningless. I suck at maths, but even I can figure out we're talking about enough money to run the United States for a few seconds less than 27 minutes.

Still interesting how two fascist dictators managed to arrive on September 30th as their annexation date - 85 years apart.

"Never again", they said - but the POW Russia paraded out at the illegal show trial the other day seems to show something different than that.



I can't help but think Operation Unthinkable could have prevented all this.

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[Merry]

Comparing the Ukranian situation to what happened just prior to the Second World War is misleading, and ignores the part the West played in triggering the current Ukrainian conflict.

Nobody is defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, they were very wrong to do that. But we shouldn’t ignore the provocations that led up to it, and the reasons behind them.

If Russia had expanded its military alliances right up to the U.S. borders the way NATO did to Russia, I’m reasonably sure that the U.S. would also have reacted militarily. The Cuban crisis was a good example of such a reaction.

And American meddling in Ukranian internal affairs prior to the conflict is well documented. Financing a coup to overthrow a democratically elected Government that the Americans considered to be too friendly to Russia was just one of the many things the Americans did that contributed to the current conflict.

The Hunter Biden affair is a good example of how American commercial interests were invested in Ukraine, and also helps explain the American interest in general in Ukranian affairs. Because, at the end of the day, almost all conflicts can be traced back to commercial interests.

The American economic system has been based on America being engaged in or funding wars the World over ever since the end of WW2. Their industrial military machine has made billions from such conflicts. That fact is undeniable. Meanwhile, millions of ordinary people suffer and die as a result of all those conflicts, and there is no end in sight. When the Ukraine war finally ends, another will begin, and the cycle will continue.

[Drip_Torch]

Comparing the Ukranian situation to what happened just prior to the Second World War is misleading, and ignores the part the West played in triggering the current Ukrainian conflict.

Nobody is defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, they were very wrong to do that. But we shouldn’t ignore the provocations that led up to it, and the reasons behind them.

If Russia had expanded its military alliances right up to the U.S. borders the way NATO did to Russia...

Russian propaganda aside, I think this is very much connected to unresolved issues from WWII. That's why I've come around to believe Operation Unthinkable would have been the right play at the time. We could have resolved the issues of self determination, sovereignty and freedom, without the threat of Nuclear war being thrown around like a child having a tantrum.

Russia has never extended it's borders the way NATO does. Russia extends its borders by force, with tanks, troops and missiles. NATO, on the other hand allows partner countries (such as Russia - ) to make their own choice about whether or not to join NATO. To join NATO "--New members must be making progress toward a market economy. --Their military forces must be under firm civilian control. --They must be good neighbors and respect sovereignty outside their borders. --They must be working toward compatibility with NATO forces."

To join Russia, the fascist dictator decides to send in military force.

Congratulations Chechnya! You're now part of the Russian Federation.



Poor, poor Tallinn, Estonia. They voted to join the NATO Alliance.



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[Merry]

The reason Operation Unthinkable was discarded was because there was no guarantee the West would fare any better following an invasion of Russia than the Germans did. Besides which, declaring war on Russia would have made our side no better than the folks we claim to defend against. ANY nation which uses military force to impose its political and/or economic will on others is an evil entity.