Nuclear War

[GordonH]

I really wonder if this threat Putin keeps using is actually something he would do or is he just blowing smoke. Knowing the current world leaders are a bunch of cowards, it’s working.

[seewood]

I really wonder if this threat Putin keeps using is actually something he would do or is he just blowing smoke. Knowing the current world leaders are a bunch of cowards, it’s working.

Hope he succumbs to his precepted cancer before he really considers going nuclear.

Then again, maybe he has nothing to loose and will leave with a legacy of the most insane madman earth has ever created.

[oldtrucker]

^^^ in response to Alan's post....good thing no one deploys very high yield weapons anymore like in the cold war. As of 2022, China has the worlds highest yield warheads at 5 mt on the DF5, but it's thought that as few as 5 are deployed

[alanjh595]

^^^ in response to Alan's post....good thing no one deploys very high yield weapons anymore like in the cold war. As of 2022, China has the worlds highest yield warheads at 5 mt on the DF5, but it's thought that as few as 5 are deployed

Why drop one BIG one when many smaller ones are more efficient?

[DataCruncher]

^^^ in response to Alan's post....good thing no one deploys very high yield weapons anymore like in the cold war. As of 2022, China has the worlds highest yield warheads at 5 mt on the DF5, but it's thought that as few as 5 are deployed

Why drop one BIG one when many smaller ones are more efficient?

No one needs to drop anything, anymore. The supply-chain breaks are working perfectly.

[oldtrucker]

^^^ in response to Alan's post....good thing no one deploys very high yield weapons anymore like in the cold war. As of 2022, China has the worlds highest yield warheads at 5 mt on the DF5, but it's thought that as few as 5 are deployed

Why drop one BIG one when many smaller ones are more efficient?

Exactly. Putin isn't bullbleeping when he says 1 rs28 Sarmat ICBM can take out a entire region. At 5.5 to 5.9 mt per ton of throw weight, and with a 10+ ton RV bus, the rs 28 could theoretically carry a single 50mt warhead, or more likely 20( if not limited by treaty), 10 kiloton to 2 megaton Avangard HGV's plus decoys. Could cover a large metro area like New York or spread out missile silos like Malmstrom AFB. Being land based
( and most likely a very short lifetime of probably less than 25 minutes), they would be used for high value targets that require high accuracy like missile silos. Soft large area targets like cities are left for lower accuracy sub launched ICBMs

[alanjh595]

Why drop one BIG one when many smaller ones are more efficient?

Exactly. Putin isn't bullbleeping when he says 1 rs28 Sarmat ICBM can take out a entire region. At 5.5 to 5.9 mt per ton of throw weight, and with a 10+ ton RV bus, the rs 28 could theoretically carry a single 50mt warhead, or more likely 20( if not limited by treaty), 10 kiloton to 2 megaton Avangard HGV's plus decoys. Could cover a large metro area like New York or spread out missile silos like Malmstrom AFB. Being land based
( and most likely a very short lifetime of probably less than 25 minutes), they would be used for high value targets that require high accuracy like missile silos. Soft large area targets like cities are left for lower accuracy sub launched ICBMs

Where did you get those figures from?

[oldtrucker]

What figures? Yield to weight ratio? I just made them up.
If you are referring to the yield to weight ratio I guess at maximum efficiency it would be 6mt per ton so I'm going with a average less than perfect efficiency with the 5.5-5.9 mt/ton.
If you are referring to the yield of the Avangards- it's a guess based on estimated weight of the vehicle.

[gertlush]

I think if they were it would be a tactical nuke on some isolated base, far from a population centre. And on Ukrainian territory. Enough to escalate, but not where the West is compelled to respond.

[MCB]

I'd like to think the human race has learned from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I've been to Hiroshima and likewise the Peace Memorial Museum there and to say it was an eye opener (I was between grade 11 and 12 at the time) would be an understatement.

In that museum they have a section of wall bleached white except for a shadow. An outline of a person. The amount of artwork depicting what the survivors went through my god. There's a river that goes through Hiroshima where survivors, flesh hanging off their bodies migrated towards to sooth their burns. A river of bodies...

[GordonH]

I'd like to think the human race has learned from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I've been to Hiroshima and likewise the Peace Memorial Museum there and to say it was an eye opener (I was between grade 11 and 12 at the time) would be an understatement.

Looney tune dictator in Putin... enough said.

[MCB]

I'm not so sure. Putin could nuke Kiev much akin to how the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan to end the war yet he hasn't.

[Even Steven]

I'm not so sure. Putin could nuke Kiev much akin to how the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan to end the war yet he hasn't.

Why? What's the point of bombing Kiev? They can do so with traditional weapons. The only reason to use nukes if other weapons are not effective. They're not even using traditional weapons in Kiev on any large scale, just picking some military targets here and there.

[PoplarSoul]

I'd like to think the human race has learned from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I've been to Hiroshima and likewise the Peace Memorial Museum there and to say it was an eye opener (I was between grade 11 and 12 at the time) would be an understatement.

In that museum they have a section of wall bleached white except for a shadow. An outline of a person. The amount of artwork depicting what the survivors went through my god. There's a river that goes through Hiroshima where survivors, flesh hanging off their bodies migrated towards to sooth their burns. A river of bodies...

The world is not dealing with a sane person.
He has no soul.
But I believe war criminal Vladimir Putin is bluffing.

[gertlush]

I think most people agree the Japanese nukes were justified, not like there were many other options.

Given Bidens recent performances I'd be very concerned about the US side too.