Trump running for 2024

[rustled]

IMO, it shouldn't bother anyone Trump was the butt of many jokes, nor should it bother anyone Trump was a reality tv show personality.

Whether someone was a reality TV star, a businessperson, a career politician, or a teacher prior to running for office... it shouldn't really bother anyone.

It's an odd fixation, isn't it?

I suppose it comes with defining people by stereotype.

[Jonrox]

Throughout the Trump presidency, the media and the audience focused almost entirely on Trump's personality.

Personally, I judged him by focusing on the words that came out of his own mouth.

I judge him on his words and his personality. The leader of a nation as powerful as the US is should have the total package. The President of a nation should be "presidential". The example he or she sets matters.

[JLives]

I judged him by his actions. His personality is irrelevant to me.

If Trump's personality was truly irrelevant, we wouldn't see this:

He's been a piece of crap human since at least the 80's.

Defining Trump's presidency is seldom about how America fared under his presidency. It's more often related to his personality, i.e. "He's been a piece of crap human since at least the 80's."

It most certainly is irrelevant. He's a piece of garbage human being as judged by his actions.

[Patron]

In his defense, he didn't take the presidential salary when he was in office. Got to give him some credit for that as he is the only president in history to not take the pay.

No, we don't need to give him credit for that. He made that back handily in the inflated prices he was charging the Secret Service to protect him and his family at his properties. Him and his family fleeced billions of dollars through backroom deals. Jared Kuschner made a deal with the Saudis that got him $2 billion right when he came out of office. They didn't give him that for nothing. Foreign dignitaries paid big bucks to stay at Trump properties in efforts to win favour with him. I made a whole thread about with more details. The donating his salary stuff was just showmanship and nothing more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexand ... ede310c025

yup, every Political figure especially holding the Office of Presidency did not care about the small compensation, they knew their Title held more power in the long run $$. And yes , this man has made his Family Members very wealthy and gave them privy to the knowledge of how the Real System is gamed and how to benefit from it and he himself knows it better than he did before. If he wasn't gagged by the oath of the Office he would be blabbing to the world how gamed the system is yet it's what has given him and his Family their Wealth and power .

personally I think the USA political parties needs much younger candidates, these old staunch set in their old school ways Deciders of society need to fade out and fresh ideas need to be introduced.

[Jonrox]

yup, every Political figure especially holding the Office of Presidency did not care about the small compensation, they knew their Title held more power in the long run $$.

A former President can make the equivalent of one year's salary by doing one or two speaking engagements post-Presidency. Then they can write a book and blow that number out of the water.

[rustled]

Personally, I judged him by focusing on the words that came out of his own mouth.

I judge him on his words and his personality. The leader of a nation as powerful as the US is should have the total package. The President of a nation should be "presidential". The example he or she sets matters.

That's the cult of personality again.

The US has had plenty of less-than-presidential sounding/looking presidents, some of whom have been more effective than some of their more presidential sounding/looking presidents.

For example, the current occupant is known for telling huge porkies, he struggles with coherency and cognition, and is implicated in significant corruption - but he checks some sort of "aw, shucks" box that gets him off the hook for it.

There's much about Trump's personality that really rubs people the wrong way, and there's no similar leeway for him.

[rustled]

If Trump's personality was truly irrelevant, we wouldn't see this:

Defining Trump's presidency is seldom about how America fared under his presidency. It's more often related to his personality, i.e. "He's been a piece of crap human since at least the 80's."

It most certainly is irrelevant. He's a piece of garbage human being as judged by his actions.

Again, calling him a piece of human garbage is strictly about judging what kind of human being Trump is - his personality.

Judging his actions would involve discussing those actions, not asserting "what kind of human being he is".

[Jonrox]

I judge him on his words and his personality. The leader of a nation as powerful as the US is should have the total package. The President of a nation should be "presidential". The example he or she sets matters.

That's the cult of personality again.

The US has had plenty of less-than-presidential sounding/looking presidents, some of whom have been more effective than some of their more presidential sounding/looking presidents.

For example, the current occupant is known for telling huge porkies, he struggles with coherency and cognition, and is implicated in significant corruption - but he checks some sort of "aw, shucks" box that gets him off the hook for it.

There's much about Trump's personality that really rubs people the wrong way, and there's no similar leeway for him.

I don't think Biden is a great example either... at least not any longer at his age. He's more "presidential" than Trump, but still leaves a lot to be desired. They've now had two Presidents in a row who aren't great orators and don't have the strong personalities I believe a President should have.

[rustled]

That's the cult of personality again.

The US has had plenty of less-than-presidential sounding/looking presidents, some of whom have been more effective than some of their more presidential sounding/looking presidents.

For example, the current occupant is known for telling huge porkies, he struggles with coherency and cognition, and is implicated in significant corruption - but he checks some sort of "aw, shucks" box that gets him off the hook for it.

There's much about Trump's personality that really rubs people the wrong way, and there's no similar leeway for him.

I don't think Biden is a great example either... at least not any longer at his age. He's more "presidential" than Trump, but still leaves a lot to be desired. They've now had two Presidents in a row who aren't great orators and don't have the strong personalities I believe a President should have.

A great orator isn't necessarily a great president, either.

Seems to me Americans would be better served by someone who isn't an un-presidential embarrassment and simply takes the job seriously and is committed to Americans' long-term best interests.

That may not sit well with the political machinery, though. Americans' long-term best interests don't usually align with the interests of the powerful elites calling the shots. One of the reasons Trump had to go, and probably won't be able to mount a comeback.

[JLives]

It most certainly is irrelevant. He's a piece of garbage human being as judged by his actions.

Again, calling him a piece of human garbage is strictly about judging what kind of human being Trump is - his personality.

Judging his actions would involve discussing those actions, not asserting "what kind of human being he is".

Oh I'm sorry. If we're not supposed to judge people's character by their actions what metric should we use? Come on now. This is baseless semantics at best. I made a whole thread on just his recent actions. Starting with fleecing the taxpayers for personal profit to the tune of millions. That's still a thing we get upset about politicians doing right? As far back as the 70's he was sued by the Federal government for racial discriminations for not renting units to black people. https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/49595592 ... ation-case If you are a racist, I'm going to judge your character on that even if he's tried to normalize it now. It's still awful behaviour.

[Jonrox]

A great orator isn't necessarily a great president, either.

I agree. But I think a president should be a great orator.

Seems to me Americans would be better served by someone who isn't an un-presidential embarrassment and simply takes the job seriously and is committed to Americans' long-term best interests.

That may not sit well with the political machinery, though. Americans' long-term best interests don't usually align with the interests of the powerful elites calling the shots. One of the reasons Trump had to go, and probably won't be able to mount a comeback.

As the leader of one of the most, if not the most powerful, nations in the world I really don't think it's too much to ask that a president tick all of the boxes.

[rustled]

Again, calling him a piece of human garbage is strictly about judging what kind of human being Trump is - his personality.

Judging his actions would involve discussing those actions, not asserting "what kind of human being he is".

Oh I'm sorry. If we're not supposed to judge people's character by their actions what metric should we use? Come on now. This is baseless semantics at best. I made a whole thread on just his recent actions. Starting with fleecing the taxpayers for personal profit to the tune of millions. That's still a thing we get upset about politicians doing right? As far back as the 70's he was sued by the Federal government for racial discriminations for not renting units to black people. https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/49595592 ... ation-case If you are a racist, I'm going to judge your character on that even if he's tried to normalize it now. It's still awful behaviour.

No need to apologize.

Some of this is about his actions. Some of it's about emotional responses, and much of it is still judging and stereotyping by personality.

IMO Americans would be better served by installing a president with far less personality and far less public baggage than Trump.

[rustled]

A great orator isn't necessarily a great president, either.

I agree. But I think a president should be a great orator.

Great oration skills can cover up a multitude of weaknesses. A good orator would likely be the safer alternative.

Seems to me Americans would be better served by someone who isn't an un-presidential embarrassment and simply takes the job seriously and is committed to Americans' long-term best interests.

That may not sit well with the political machinery, though. Americans' long-term best interests don't usually align with the interests of the powerful elites calling the shots. One of the reasons Trump had to go, and probably won't be able to mount a comeback.

As the leader of one of the most, if not the most powerful, nations in the world I really don't think it's too much to ask that a president tick all of the boxes.

Seems to me that would be a unicorn president. There's so much political machinery involved, most presidents are really only a representative of that machinery. Trump wasn't as controllable as most.

[steven lloyd]

He's a piece of garbage human being as judged by his actions.

Agreed. Calling him a piece of human garbage is strictly about acknowledging his actions that provide a clear indication of what kind of human being Trump is - a conman, a grifter and a criminal. I suspect there are likely three main reasons he is running again:

1. He really is suffering from the delusion he was and would be a great president (despite all the clear and obvious evidence to the contrary) and being the narcissist he is wants to experience the power of the office again,
2. He knows that by running for the presidential candidate he will now be able to get his free airtime (ironically via the media he bemoans) and once again be able to spew his disinformation, misinformation and lies and seek pity from his acolytes and apologists who are gullible enough to believe him by playing the victim card. He feels this is very important as all the civil and criminal litigations against him play out before the Courts,
3. He can start engaging in fund-raising for his campaign and use that money to pay his ever-increasing legal bills, and whatever money is left after his failed run to be the candidate for the Republicans (it is hard to imagine the GOP would allow him to damage the Party any more than he already has) he can and will keep for himself - and there are plenty of people still stupid enough who will keep sending him money despite the fact he has already been ripping them off for years.

[Nedroj]

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