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JLives wrote: Dec 30th, 2022, 1:15 pm [
There's no arguing with zealots, it's a waste of energy.
I don't know, it's kind of fun insulting partisan far Left extremists and other woke meatheads, especially those who willingly defend attacks on substations and pipelines by fellow misguided far Left extremist fools. Fun indeed.
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AS the white nationalists attack the grid(trumps mates) cause hardship on all Americans they will implode all values down the drain.. Much like trump and the gop do well... Last one out ,lights off..
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 30th, 2022, 3:08 pm
Queen K wrote: Dec 30th, 2022, 10:51 am GB, so all of Trumps supporters attacking the seat of power on January 6th are leftists?

What does this have to do with scum Antifa domestic terrorists attacking substations? The rise of Leftist extremism in Canada and the US can't be ignored.
Except the title of the thread doesn't have "antifa" in it. This is about substations, ie, American life being dependent upon electriciy, under attack.

Some like yourself blame Antifa and many others blame right wing extremist attackers. And your quote states that you believe there are ONLY left wing terrorists in America today. Not true by any stretch.
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Queen K wrote: Dec 30th, 2022, 6:12 pm

Except the title of the thread doesn't have "antifa" in it.
But they are the ones attacking the substations. Pretty straight forward. :up:
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Queen K wrote: Dec 30th, 2022, 6:12 pm
The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 30th, 2022, 3:08 pm

What does this have to do with scum Antifa domestic terrorists attacking substations? The rise of Leftist extremism in Canada and the US can't be ignored.
Except the title of the thread doesn't have "antifa" in it. This is about substations, ie, American life being dependent upon electriciy, under attack.

Some like yourself blame Antifa and many others blame right wing extremist attackers. And your quote states that you believe there are ONLY left wing terrorists in America today. Not true by any stretch.
It wouldn't matter if it did. Antifa is an idea not a group. God these people are incapable of critical thinking. And only interested in bothsidesism. They are not capable of personal responsibility. It's blame whatever cockamie idea Fox News tells them to.
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Ideas are more destructive than individual groups, Jlives.

I'm not blaming anyone for these attacks because there is not a shred of evidence that they are politically motivated other than they happened in quick succession. Although, vandalism at substations is not uncommon so without knowing the baseline of what is a regular incident interval we don't even know if this is out of the ordinary.

15,000 customers lost power in Vernon last year because of vandalism, but the official report said it was a bird. Power outages happen every day and we have no idea how many are related to vandalism.

The OP blamed far right extremists. I have zero sympathy for far right extremists so have no problem condemning them when they do something violent. If the OP were to blame far left extremists for this series of attacks I would also ask for evidence.

No one wins when people cry wolf. Except for the extremists who can get away with attacks later and people will stop believing the media.

I am pro-speculation though, so if the OP would have said, "I think it was far-right extremists," that's fine, but to make sound like the news article said any such thing is dishonest.

Whether politically motivated or not, I hope they catch those who did this. I have no sympathy for vandals and thrives of any kind.
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It's funny how quickly the right blames everything (including what they do themselves) on ANTIFA. In the end, people who say it's an idea are correct. Another thing about the group is that there is no formal membership or identity involved. Most people don't even know who an ANTIFA supporter is. Much like anonymous. Granted there are those who are caught on TV or have been formally charged - but these people are a minority in the overall group. This group supporting black lives matter or other broken social contracts is a benefit to society. Not acting on trying to tear down the government.
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daria wrote: Dec 27th, 2022, 11:12 am The left will never admit to their own terrorist elements.
This is so true. The right generally has no problem condemning right-wing extremism, but the left has a really hard time acknowledging left-wing violence even exists. I'm not sure what to make of it other than there is close association between left-wing extremists and regular non-violent left wingers. I guess that's why they consider those who do commit violence as benefiting society.
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Glacier wrote: Jan 1st, 2023, 1:40 am
daria wrote: Dec 27th, 2022, 11:12 am The left will never admit to their own terrorist elements.
This is so true. The right generally has no problem condemning right-wing extremism, ...
:135: Like calling the January 6 insurection attempt where the mob that was there wanted to find and hang Mike Pence "a mostly peaceful protest", or denying the evidence that reveals the violence at BLM protests was mainly caused by well organized right-wing agitators? You mean having no problem condemning right-wing extremism like that? Glacier, I'm not denying that those at the far left will also deny or rationalize their involvement in extremist activity but you are normally more balanced in your observations.
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steven lloyd wrote: Jan 1st, 2023, 3:38 am
:135: Like calling the January 6 insurection attempt where the mob that was there wanted to find and hang Mike Pence "a mostly peaceful protest",
By the standards set by the media, it was a mostly peaceful protest. Context is important here.
or denying the evidence that reveals the violence at BLM protests was mainly caused by well organized right-wing agitators?
LOL - yes, those scumbags that Kyle was forced to kill/wound in self defence at a BLM "rally" (lol lol lol) were all "well organized right wing agitators" - such BS. Such foolishness. Apologist nonsense to justify bad behavior and just plain evil. But the dumbest thing about Kyle wasn't that he had to be tried in court, it was the reams of disinformation disseminated about him by half-wits. "He carried an assault rifle over state lines!!" LOL LOL - how the lame fools who copied and pasted these lies on internet forums fell for such nonsense will never cease to amaze.
You mean having no problem condemning right-wing extremism like that?
Actually, we're condemning far Left extremist violence, including attacking substations and pipelines. That's the point of this thread, not babbling on about January 6th, which has nothing to do with the topic,
Glacier, I'm not denying that those at the far left will also deny or rationalize their involvement in extremist activity but you are normally more balanced in your observations.
Keep up the great work Glacier! The far Left extremist fools will continue to babble on about "balance" but we all know that "balance" is limited to only spreading disinformation about non-existent "well organized right wing agitators" (lol lol lol). Meanwhile, leftist extremism continues to spread and their hate continues to flow unabated, while idiots disseminate misinformation fed into their echo-chambers. Such twits.
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Two arrested, no immediate link to any domestic terrorist groups, left or right. Sometimes people just act on their own.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/03/politics ... index.html
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Queen K wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 11:37 am Two arrested, no immediate link to any domestic terrorist groups, left or right. Sometimes people just act on their own.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/03/politics ... index.html
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Imagine that.

With zero political angle here, this will quickly be forgotten by both sides.
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Looking on the bright side of that story….

Those two guys are eligible for a 20 year stint behind bars for messing with the substations.
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Catsumi wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 6:16 pm Looking on the bright side of that story….

Those two guys are eligible for a 20 year stint behind bars for messing with the substations.
Let's hope that sends a message to domestic terrorist groups on both sides of the political spectrum. Now if only terrorists in Canada would get sentences like that for attacking pipelines and pipeline construction equipment.
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