Do you believe fake news?

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Ka-El wrote: Aug 27th, 2021, 11:45 am It's not perfect but our mainstream media is lightyears ahead of basement bloggers and conspiracy theorists when it comes to credibility. At some point people need to take some responsibility in critically reflecting on the news - recognizing and acknowledging sensationalism, for example - but simply dismissing it out of hand to be replaced with completely unaccountable and outlandish sources does not make anyone look smarter than the average person. Quite the opposite.
You've got a good point. Tho I do think mainstream media in Canada can be pretty biased and sensationalized at times, it's certainly better than the trash you see on Facebook for example - and there are far worse examples than facebook.
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Septuagenarian wrote: Aug 27th, 2021, 12:17 pm Back in the day I worked on a couple of project with "Adbusters" co-founder Bill Schmalz. Currently the magazine is billed as a top Canadian export to Europe, but it was recently pulled from our Shoppers Drug Mart shelves.

"The Magazine That Birthed ‘Occupy’ Removed From All 1,300 Shoppers Drug Marts in Canada"

https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/5468729 ... -in-canada

Also, no I haven't read, The Rape of the Mind, so thanks for the link. I've downloaded the PDF to my laptop as well as the epub to my e-reader.
Your welcome for the link, I recently bought the book, fantastic reading, took me a long time cause I kept staring off at the trees in contemplation of what was said. The topic is relevant as ever I also guess time has progressed and these techniques evolve.
Do you know where I can find a copy of occupy ? :)
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two wrote: Aug 27th, 2021, 10:41 am Have you read a book written in the 50s by a once famous psychologist Joost Meraloo which examines mass psychosis, titled "The rape of the mind" ? here is the free ebook in a link
https://archive.org/details/TheRapeOfTh ... 1/mode/2up
two wrote: Aug 27th, 2021, 12:43 pm
Septuagenarian wrote: Aug 27th, 2021, 12:17 pm no I haven't read, The Rape of the Mind, so thanks for the link. I've downloaded the PDF to my laptop as well as the epub to my e-reader.
Your welcome for the link, I recently bought the book, fantastic reading, took me a long time cause I kept staring off at the trees in contemplation of what was said. The topic is relevant as ever I also guess time has progressed and these techniques evolve.
Brilliant to post this! The Rape of the Mind is a chilling and foretelling manuscript that should be rededicated to our times.

Two, no wonder it caused you pause and contemplation.

Again, thank you for providing all of us with an opportunity to read it.

And it will long remain on my bookshelf.

All the best to you,

Sept
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Septuagenarian wrote: Sep 4th, 2021, 7:57 am
two wrote: Aug 27th, 2021, 10:41 am Have you read a book written in the 50s by a once famous psychologist Joost Meraloo which examines mass psychosis, titled "The rape of the mind" ? here is the free ebook in a link
https://archive.org/details/TheRapeOfTh ... 1/mode/2up
two wrote: Aug 27th, 2021, 12:43 pm

Your welcome for the link, I recently bought the book, fantastic reading, took me a long time cause I kept staring off at the trees in contemplation of what was said. The topic is relevant as ever I also guess time has progressed and these techniques evolve.
Brilliant to post this! The Rape of the Mind is a chilling and foretelling manuscript that should be rededicated to our times.

Two, no wonder it caused you pause and contemplation.

Again, thank you for providing all of us with an opportunity to read it.

And it will long remain on my bookshelf.

All the best to you,

Sept
It is chilling.. Thanks for the green Barbarian book suggestion I ordered I copy.
Id like to get my hands on the occupy edition of adbusters for the collection.
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Here's where you can get it as a back issue. But unfortunately it's only available in PDF.

https://subscribe.adbusters.org/collect ... ducts/ab98

Also I found the Occudoc on YouTube.
American Autumn an Occudoc

YouTube Movies

The first feature length documentary on the Occupy movement, American Autumn: an occudoc not only offers answers for those who continue to ask: "what does the occupy movement stand for? What are our demands?" -- it offers a challenge and an invitation to engage with the movement. The Occupy movement seeks to be an equalizing force for good in a world dominated by greed. The question some of us within the Occupy movement are trying to solve is this one: what would a world look like that had a culture and an economic system that places human need above corporate greed, and how do we bring that world into being? Who cares what it's called? Call it Socialism, Real Democracy Now, or Chunky-Monkey-Cherry Garcia. The world needs to change radically and dramatically--and it needs to change fast. Without debating the merits of capitalism versus socialism, the way capitalism operates right now in our global culture delivers poverty, misery, and is downright homicidal. People do, in fact, die for lack of access to health-care. Human consumption is, in fact, accelerating the destruction of our planet. People do, in fact, die in wars waged based on lies that profit a precious few. Over 5 million children globally each year do not reach a 5th birthday because they die of starvation. This is not because the system that puts man on the moon or can squeeze an entire library onto a computer chip the size of a thumbnail has failed to find a way to feed these children. Rather, our system is so competitive that it accepts these deaths as a natural component of a capitalist model that dominates world markets. In short, the system is driven by corporate greed, not human need.

Or, if your in the Okanagan, and have a OKLibrary card, it looks like it might be available on Kanopy.
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CapitalB wrote: Feb 7th, 2018, 5:40 pm
But you can protect yourself from the fake news;
A recommendation that follows from research on the illusion of truth effect is to serve as your own fact checker. If you are convinced that some claim is true, ask yourself why. Is it because you have credible evidence that the claim is true, or is it just because you’ve encountered the claim over and over? Also ask yourself if you know of any evidence that refutes the claim. (You just might be surprised to find that you do.)
Just thought some people on this forum needed some encouragement to fact check.
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Aside from sheer laziness, or the old X-Files “I Want to Believe,” there’s really no excuse for being duped by fake news; the truth is usually just a few key-strokes away. Engage your brain, do your research and try not to allow prejudice to cloud your judgment.

In essence, fake news (gossip by another name) simply consists of stories that play to the prejudices of an intended audience. That’s why so many were willing to believe the “Russian collusion” nonsense, or take seriously a letter allegedly signed by 50 former intelligence officials (at least one of them says that his name was added even though he had never even seen the letter) that suggested that the damning evidence of the pay-for-play schemes found on Hunter Biden’s laptop was part of an elaborate disinformation scheme hatched by the “Russians,” of course.

To his/her credit, at least one of those asked to sign the letter took the time to consider the possibility that it was just a politically motivated distraction:
A former national security official who was asked to sign the letter but declined to do so told the Washington Examiner that Brennan’s involvement with the letter was problematic because of his anti-Trump commentary and repeated claims of Trump-Russia collusion, and Brennan’s name on the letter made it look like he was running a “rear guard action” as a favor to Biden to push back against a problematic story for the Biden campaign just before an election, saying Brennan was “too political” to be involved with a letter like this. The former official said Brennan “has Biden’s ear” and it looked like Brennan worked to get his favored people in place once Biden won, including Brennan’s former deputies ending up as deputy CIA director and director of national intelligence.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... -BB1gzgSq
In this example, the former official's rational assessment of the likely intent of the letter spared them the embarrassment of endorsing a cheesy ploy to limit public acceptance of information that voters now say would have changed their decision to vote for Joe Biden.
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Fake news has been happening for years

Love him or hate him. Donald Trump was one to openly start selling out the media

Media constantly published headlines that are misleading

Just yesterday I saw on Castanet “mans sister dies of Covid, and urged people to get the vaccine before it’s fatal to them”
I took the time to read it. And in one little tiny spot it mentions the sister had underlying health conditions. Isn’t that an important fact? (Not when your in the fake news scare pandemic technique)
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The OP is posing the question to a world in which 45% world wide believe in some form of supreme being (god).

I guess it could be said it's in our DNA to believe "fake news" / "fake information".
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samsquench07 wrote: Sep 10th, 2021, 8:08 am Fake news has been happening for years

Love him or hate him. Donald Trump was one to openly start selling out the media

Media constantly published headlines that are misleading

Just yesterday I saw on Castanet “mans sister dies of Covid, and urged people to get the vaccine before it’s fatal to them”
I took the time to read it. And in one little tiny spot it mentions the sister had underlying health conditions. Isn’t that an important fact? (Not when your in the fake news scare pandemic technique)
Calling what Donald Trump did as "selling out the media", in other words claiming to be pointing out fake news, is a stretch ? He was just more prolific at lying and told bigger lies than the media.

As an example: For some it's astounding that the Catholic church would lie about their staff being involved in pedophilia,,, "how could the church lie to us". Ah, it's an organization who's only product is telling people about an invisible god, who created heaven and earth in 6 days and one day will come and judge everyone one earth, who lives and who has ever lived.

Right wrong or otherwise, the media gets people talking and thinking. What happens in repressive regimes ? Control of what the media says, be that political or religious.

I wonder what percentage of "fake" news, especially locally, is because of lack of ability/intelligence on the part of the media verse intentional misleading information that is believed by the less intelligent.
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my5cents wrote: Sep 10th, 2021, 9:40 am Calling what Donald Trump did as "selling out the media", in other words claiming to be pointing out fake news, is a stretch ? He was just more prolific at lying and told bigger lies than the media.
Well, since you brought it up. :biggrin:

No one has ever exposed the extent of media bias, lies and incompetence as well as Trump did. Of course those who were the most guilty, the big tech social media monopolies and assorted corporate shill ‘journalists’ responded by labeling his every utterance as a lie.

The self-described America First “Cheerleader in Chief” was certainly a fountain of hyperbole, but unlike his atrociously dishonest presidential successor, Trump’s reputation as a liar is more fiction than fact. To a degree that puts most politicians to shame, Trump tried hard to do what he told voters he would do. He was a good and highly effective president, even in the face of poisonously dishonest attacks from those who put massive profit margins and their relations with the CCP ahead of what is best for the people of the USA.

But everyone is free to accept whatever they are told most often and are predisposed to believe. :smt045
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d0nb wrote: Sep 11th, 2021, 3:09 pm
Well, since you brought it up. :biggrin:

No one has ever exposed the extent of media bias, lies and incompetence as well as Trump did. Of course those who were the most guilty, the big tech social media monopolies and assorted corporate shill ‘journalists’ responded by labeling his every utterance as a lie.

The self-described America First “Cheerleader in Chief” was certainly a fountain of hyperbole, but unlike his atrociously dishonest presidential successor, Trump’s reputation as a liar is more fiction than fact. To a degree that puts most politicians to shame, Trump tried hard to do what he told voters he would do. He was a good and highly effective president, even in the face of poisonously dishonest attacks from those who put massive profit margins and their relations with the CCP ahead of what is best for the people of the USA.

But everyone is free to accept whatever they are told most often and are predisposed to believe. :smt045
Strange you took those words right out of my mouth. Well, I'm feeling Covid coming on, now where did I put the sunlight injector and the bleach.
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Oh yeah, the bleach nonsense. It remains one of the dumbest but also one of the most widely believed and repeated Trump fables, almost on a par with his imagined praise of racists or the one about the Russian prostitutes. :138:
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d0nb wrote: Sep 11th, 2021, 7:14 pm Oh yeah, the bleach nonsense. It remains one of the dumbest but also one of the most widely believed and repeated Trump fables, almost on a par with his imagined praise of racists or the one about the Russian prostitutes. :138:
You just proved trump right again. He never once said to take bleach.
It was hydroxycholquine. A drug to treat malaria. And maybe thought to treat Covid. Seem to not be effective. But in early going, why not look into different options.

Same as ivermectin. Everybody reads one internet line and thinks it’s strictly just for animals. Some say this actually works pre Covid.

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