"Unplanned" Movie

[flamingfingers]

The pro-lifers I know don't have abortions when they have accidents.

Maybe you don't know very many, eh?

[Silverstarqueen]

Many pro-liferes would not admit it if they did get an abortion. Nowadays with medication abortions, or clinics out of town, even their spouse or best friend may not know they've had one. IT's not like they are going to advertise it are they? So how would you know if they had one?

[Glacier]

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[Silverstarqueen]

The pro-lifers I know don't have abortions when they have accidents.

Maybe you don't know very many, eh?

No, he said they were men, so no need for abortions.

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[Silverstarqueen]

This would make an interesting counter point movie to show another side to abortion. People assume the Catholic church is against it, since they are often at the forefront or anti-abortion protests. But, it depends whose ox is being gored.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/p ... -abortion/

[two_shoes1mit]

If we left religion completely out of it.................perhaps then we could have an intelligent debate on the issue.

[Silverstarqueen]

Religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists(even though the bible remains silent on condemning abortion). Leaving that out would be like saying we should leave out those who argue on the basis of women's reproductive rights.

[two_shoes1mit]

Religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists(even though the bible remains silent on condemning abortion). Leaving that out would be like saying we should leave out those who argue on the basis of women's reproductive rights.

I don't agree that religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists.
Since you brought it up the Bible does say..........Thou shall not kill, and abortion is ending the life of a baby.
I'm not interested in viability, etc. Plane and simple thats how babies are made.

But lets not go there................see if it can stand on its own two feet.
Abortion............yes or no............leaving religion out of the equation.

[flamingfingers]

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Twoshoes-onemitt wrote

I don't agree that religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists[/quote]



flaming fingers wrote

What is their main argument then?

[two_shoes1mit]

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twoshoes-onemitt wrote

I don't agree that religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists

flaming fingers wrote What is their main argument then?

I am not going to speak on behalf of religious organizations.
My opinion is my own, just like you own your opinion.

Why not just leave that part alone. Its like flogging a dead horse,
or like a dog with a bone.

There is so much anger and aggressiveness on this particular forum.
I get it that everyone is coming from a different perspective. But its
futile to keep banging away at the religious end of it.

Each to their own. I don't believe in pact behaviour.

[Silverstarqueen]

Religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists(even though the bible remains silent on condemning abortion). Leaving that out would be like saying we should leave out those who argue on the basis of women's reproductive rights.

I don't agree that religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists.
Since you brought it up the Bible does say..........Thou shall not kill, and abortion is ending the life of a baby.
I'm not interested in viability, etc. Plane and simple thats how babies are made.

But lets not go there................see if it can stand on its own two feet.
Abortion............yes or no............leaving religion out of the equation.

Of course it's been a largely religious debate, that cannot be ignored.
There is a specific case in the bible where it is stated what the penalty should be if someone causes an abortion in a woman, the penalty is nothing like the penalty for murder. It is treated more like a civil case, where the father is compensated some amount for the damage of losing a potential child that would have resulted from the birth.
As well, even the Catholic church would not provide a funeral for a still born, because, obviously, it was not considered a "person" worthy of having a proper funeral as would be for a live born.
Now certainly anyone is entitled to call a little blob of cells a "baby" if they wish.
But no one would call a recently fertilized hen's egg a chicken now would they?
So we've been thru this debate before, everyone seems to pick a different point at which the embryo, fetus, born alive baby, or whatever, can be called a "person". So it's still a matter of opinion which of those is correct.
Under the law, it's a person if it is born alive and takes a breath.
If born, but dies before exit, it's a stillborn. No birth certificate is issued.
Maybe the law is right, or maybe it's wrong, but it's what we live with at this point.
The "Unplanned" movie is primarily supported by people with religious convictions against abortion, and those who have personal opinions against abortion. That presumption being: that the embryo, fetus, or perhaps the later term viable or nonviable fetus should have the same rights as a born alive person. So it's almost impossible to discuss the issue without also discussing a person's personal bias as to when "personhood" begins.
It's the old Chicken/ Egg dilemna, which came first, except some people think the Egg is the chicken.
We have to at least define some terms: some people are talking about a "baby" in reference to a thing which doesn't even have bones, and can't possibly breathe or eat or digest anything. Well, last time I checked, a baby has quite a few bones, and it breathes, eats, digests.

[Silverstarqueen]

I don't agree that religious objection is the main argument behind the anti-abortionists

I am not going to speak on behalf of religious organizations.
My opinion is my own, just like you own your opinion.

Why not just leave that part alone. Its like flogging a dead horse,
or like a dog with a bone.
Each to their own. I don't believe in pact behaviour.
There is so much anger and aggressiveness on this particular forum.
I get it that everyone is coming from a different perspective. But its
futile to keep banging away at the religious end of it.

You are talking about "beliefs" tho, so if not religious, it is just a personal opinion, which varies quite widely.
No one can definitely answer the question.
If you don't like the debate, no one is forcing anyone to take part in it.
For many, it is definitely a religious issue, even if it is not for you.

[flamingfingers]

^^Please fix your quotes so it does not appear that I have spoken the words of twoshoes please, thanks.

[two_shoes1mit]

As I understand it, this is about the movie "Unplanned."

I don't think you saw it, yet you post like your butts on fire.

This thread has moved too far away from the movie, why not start
a thread on what it is your debating?