Examples of TFW's being exploited

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I am getting tired of hearing how Lazy Canadian's are, just because we refuse to be exploited by the employers or work agencies they often hire.
So I decided decided to post a few news stories as examples.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/national ... n-workers/

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/col ... n-workers/

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/opinio ... ap-labour/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -resident/

4 stories is hopefully enough but if not I could go on and on
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stuphoto wrote:I am getting tired of hearing how Lazy Canadian's are, just because we refuse to be exploited by the employers or work agencies they often hire.
So I decided decided to post a few news stories as examples.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/national ... n-workers/

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/col ... n-workers/

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/opinio ... ap-labour/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -resident/

4 stories is hopefully enough but if not I could go on and on


So you're willing to pay $100 for a steak, or $75 for a pound of cherries?
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typhoon44 wrote:
stuphoto wrote:I am getting tired of hearing how Lazy Canadian's are, just because we refuse to be exploited by the employers or work agencies they often hire.
So I decided decided to post a few news stories as examples.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/national ... n-workers/

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/col ... n-workers/

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/opinio ... ap-labour/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -resident/

4 stories is hopefully enough but if not I could go on and on


So you're willing to pay $100 for a steak, or $75 for a pound of cherries?

Please show me how you come up with your figures.
BTW, you can charge $1,000,000 for a steak and I won't care.
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It's not universal, but I find that a lot of the people calling Canadians lazy never worked menial jobs. There's nothing wrong with this but it leads to a lack of critical thinking about rhe job market. They're the types who are now 67+ who went to university and then found a professional job right away. They simply can't fathom the idea that if menial job A pays OT and a few bucks more than min, people are going to pick it over job B that has no OT and is minimum wage.

These people never had to deal with this reality and just don't get it. It's always the same lame response like, "Well at job B just work hard for a couple weeks and then you'll get a higher wage." Uh, no, it doesn't work that way at these sorts of jobs.
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davegourd wrote:It's not universal, but I find that a lot of the people calling Canadians lazy never worked menial jobs. There's nothing wrong with this but it leads to a lack of critical thinking about rhe job market. They're the types who are now 67+ who went to university and then found a professional job right away. They simply can't fathom the idea that if menial job A pays OT and a few bucks more than min, people are going to pick it over job B that has no OT and is minimum wage.

These people never had to deal with this reality and just don't get it. It's always the same lame response like, "Well at job B just work hard for a couple weeks and then you'll get a higher wage." Uh, no, it doesn't work that way at these sorts of jobs.

So, presuming we don't have many lazy young people, how do you propose we get there jobs done by Canadians? And find an answer more realistic than pay them more?
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Why do the jobs NEED to be done by Canadians?
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bb49 wrote:So, presuming we don't have many lazy young people, how do you propose we get there jobs done by Canadians? And find an answer more realistic than pay them more?


Lol the answer is pay more.

We exploit the TFW for low wages and then send them home to poor conditions just so we can pay min wage and slightly reduce the cost of our veggies to be competitive in a global export market.

To me, this removes local jobs that could be done by Canadians, the wage just isn't high enough to entice considering the hard labour.

Raising the wages to $20 an hour wouldn't make an apple cost $10 each or a steak cost $100. Wages only account for less than 40% or total costs, so expect the apple to only go up by less than 40%.

Instead, we put people on EI which just costs the taxpayer more anyway. But this allows us to be competitive with counties who's minimum wage is lower. It's all the keep us exporting and the farmers happy while providing jobs to other countries.
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ajoker wrote:Why do the jobs NEED to be done by Canadians?


What if we put in options for all jobs to be completed by TFWs?

Nurses
Servers
Hotel staff
Tax drivers

What if every occupation had a TFW program? What would wages be? Wages would start to be competitive with third world wages.

Doctors? Yeah maybe they should be able to TFW here in Canada if they have the right qualifications?
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bb49 wrote:
davegourd wrote:It's not universal, but I find that a lot of the people calling Canadians lazy never worked menial jobs. There's nothing wrong with this but it leads to a lack of critical thinking about rhe job market. They're the types who are now 67+ who went to university and then found a professional job right away. They simply can't fathom the idea that if menial job A pays OT and a few bucks more than min, people are going to pick it over job B that has no OT and is minimum wage.

These people never had to deal with this reality and just don't get it. It's always the same lame response like, "Well at job B just work hard for a couple weeks and then you'll get a higher wage." Uh, no, it doesn't work that way at these sorts of jobs.

So, presuming we don't have many lazy young people, how do you propose we get there jobs done by Canadians? And find an answer more realistic than pay them more?

Money is the universal language, so it's the place to start.
However it isn't everything. I think the average farmer bumping up the wages to $15 per hour and allowing the worker to fill their pantry at the end of the season would attract enough workers. At least offer them a plot to grow a garden.
Better conditions.
Profit Sharing actually works quite well, or a bonus system.

The funny thing is, if you had actually read the links they weren't actually blaming the farmers.
Most farmers actually pay the recruiting companies. Its these middle men who are also charging the TFW's an insane amount for the privilege to work in Canada.
Wipe these middle men out and I think more farmers can actually afford a decent wage and still keep our costs down.
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ajoker wrote:Why do the jobs NEED to be done by Canadians?

I have worked for 2;companies who tried saving some money by bringing in some New Canadians.
Since they both went bankrupt I don't know how much it actually saved them.
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bb49 wrote:So, presuming we don't have many lazy young people, how do you propose we get there jobs done by Canadians? And find an answer more realistic than pay them more?


Why isn't paying a dollar or two more being realistic? Barring that, there could be stock options, much better ways to lead employees into management or other roles, possibly paying for agricultural classes. I know a lot of these places use a number of vehicles but only managers or peope of high rank get to use them in most cases. Why not provide vehicular training for people so even if they're earning a lower wage they'll be gaining a skill-set?

I'm sure other people have better ideas but there has to be some sort of perk or why work there and not the business across the road?
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^^^ Or just lose the whole program. It's corrupt.
Put Canadians back to work.
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stuphoto wrote:I am getting tired of hearing how Lazy Canadian's are, just because we refuse to be exploited by the employers or work agencies they often hire.
So I decided decided to post a few news stories as examples.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/national ... n-workers/

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/col ... n-workers/

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/opinio ... ap-labour/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -resident/

4 stories is hopefully enough but if not I could go on and on


While you definitely did not limit your topic to agriculture, it appears some or many of the people here are linking it to agriculture.
None of your stories have anything to do with the SAWP, and only one of the stories even mentioned it in passing.

If your intent was to comment on general TFWs, then it is of interest and valid.
If there was any connection to agriculture intended, there is zero linkage and it is a complete fail.
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LANDM wrote:While you definitely did not limit your topic to agriculture, it appears some or many of the people here are linking it to agriculture.
None of your stories have anything to do with the SAWP, and only one of the stories even mentioned it in passing.

If your intent was to comment on general TFWs, then it is of interest and valid.
If there was any connection to agriculture intended, there is zero linkage and it is a complete fail.

Wow, a Shocker. Someone actually read the links :200:

No I was not limiting it to farming, or even BC. I didn't even hint at it, however I was also certain it would be perceived as such.
I view it as a problem across Canada, in many industries often used as a tool to drive down wages and lower working standards.

I also believe that some foreign workers are necessary.
As a quick example, a Chinese tourist riding on my bus may only know 2 words of English.
So I either need to learn their 5 main languages or to have a Chinese speaking tour guide.
Please, give me the tour guide.
However the main difference is, we are working together as a team. Not against each other.
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Send em all home. Each and every one. Canadian jobs for Canadian workers. The ones who want to move here and become citizens should be given a fair chance and reviewed for citizenship provided they are willing to keep working. Short of that. Get them out of here. They are driving down wages. Taking food off the tables of Canadian families.

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