Fine tuning the police debate

[zoo]

I'm curious to see what the usual suspects have to say, our friend from Regina and others, who have defended the police down to what they have for breakfast in the morning in other threads around here these days. They have been strangely and conspiculously silent so far. Silence being golden, we may eventually have to assume that we've found a segment of police action that police defenders agree I wrong, should be criticized, and subject to legitimate criminal charges by authorities.

No, probably they realize the absolute craziness now involved amongst some of the usual suspects of world ending conspiracy theorists here.
Too funny, good entertainment though.

[crankster]

I'm curious to see what the usual suspects have to say, our friend from Regina and others, who have defended the police down to what they have for breakfast in the morning in other threads around here these days. They have been strangely and conspiculously silent so far. Silence being golden, we may eventually have to assume that we've found a segment of police action that police defenders agree I wrong, should be criticized, and subject to legitimate criminal charges by authorities.

No, probably they realize the absolute craziness now involved amongst some of the usual suspects of world ending conspiracy theorists here.
Too funny, good entertainment though.

Really now? Have "I defended the police right down to what they have for breakfast in the morning?" Why yes, yes I have, but yet I have also included comments and thoughts on the other side of the coin as well.

[crankster]

a Black man (of course)

So much for "fine tuning" the police debate.

Well, lets fine tune it this way. Say from now on we send only black police officers to black communities to deal with black people. So on and so forth for all colors. Let's be proper as well and send only female officers to deal with females. Again like colors deal with like colors. Nez Pas?
No racial garbage then. As to violence. If police are called to quell your *bleep* for a disturbance, a crime, a being a lowlife scum bag drunk drug addled criminal, expect to get your butt whipped. Pull a weapon, pay the consequence. Enough crying victim after a crime or running off at the mouth. Call a cop a derogatory name and expect to eat knuckles or baton. Plain and simple. Equal for EVERYBODY.

[occasional thoughts]

I read through pretty well if not every post in Defund The Police until a day or two ago. There are posters therein who would sometime run 3 or 4 posts in a row absolving police of any culpability in the current crop of police shootings, either side of the border. They were cases where the police MAY have overacted or used too much force, but where there wasn't an actual legal sanction on police behaviour. Usually the message was, everyone who got shot or otherwise deserved it because they started by breaking a law. I can't name the posters or the mods will delete: "making it personal". But they're absent here o far. Don't want to stand up and be counted that some police action is illegal and so wrong? That's my guess and what I'd wanted to know.

[Sparki55]

When one goes skydiving, one accepts the risk of the parachute not opening.

When one lives in a house connected with drugs and firearms, one accepts the risk of police showing up and using appropriate force.

The only area for debate is how much force is required. In the case of Geroge, too much was used. In the case of the girl who was shot after her boyfriend fired a shot at cops, probably just enough force was used and accidentally hit an innocent person involved with the wrong people.

Fine-tuning the police isn't going to solve the above issues, yet those acts sparked the conversation.

What other portions can we help on? Maybe mental health calls.

[crankster]

I read through pretty well if not every post in Defund The Police until a day or two ago. There are posters therein who would sometime run 3 or 4 posts in a row absolving police of any culpability in the current crop of police shootings, either side of the border. They were cases where the police MAY have overacted or used too much force, but where there wasn't an actual legal sanction on police behaviour. Usually the message was, everyone who got shot or otherwise deserved it because they started by breaking a law. I can't name the posters or the mods will delete: "making it personal". But they're absent here o far. Don't want to stand up and be counted that some police action is illegal and so wrong? That's my guess and what I'd wanted to know.

Sorry i was waiting for the red pen...I do try to keep up.

[crankster]

I read through pretty well if not every post in Defund The Police until a day or two ago. There are posters therein who would sometime run 3 or 4 posts in a row absolving police of any culpability in the current crop of police shootings, either side of the border. They were cases where the police MAY have overacted or used too much force, but where there wasn't an actual legal sanction on police behaviour. Usually the message was, everyone who got shot or otherwise deserved it because they started by breaking a law. I can't name the posters or the mods will delete: "making it personal". But they're absent here o far. Don't want to stand up and be counted that some police action is illegal and so wrong? That's my guess and what I'd wanted to know.

I figure in your book, resisting arrest is not an offense? But a defense for a poor marginalized crack head having a bad day? I mean so sorry for that young lady that took one for her boy friend after he fired at the cops etc. Meh, whatever. Laws schmaws...

[crankster]

Its to the point now that is does not matter if one agrees that George Floyd died unessacrily. Of course the cop should punished. He broke the law. From the sounds of it, several times. I get it! George Floyd was not a fine upstanding citizen either!

There are other stories now where cops are villianized for to much force, but, each instance involved someone breaking a law are distressed to the point of restraint! The cops never had the chance cause media already has them as the bad guys and all white folk are racist!! If you are a white cop, you are double damned.

[Terris]

Policing is too important to our society to allow inexperienced young people to walk the streets with firearms and a badge, especially those right out of high school.

Young persons are more susceptible to the brainwashing, and more likely to get swept into the existing old boys network and wanting to be a team member, especially if some of the bad eggs within the police culture are still running the show.

For example, who remembers this local incident involving an overzealous young RCMP officer and the initial attempts by the RCMP brass to cover his tracks?

https://winnipegactivism.wordpress.com/ ... -barbaric/

Minimum age for entering police services should be 30 years old. Maybe 25 if you've served in the military or worked in Correctional Services.

At this age you will have been, for the most part anyways, "sorted out", have a body of relevant life experiences and education, and more likely to have a family and the maturity necessary to be a police officer.

[crankster]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/30 ... ent-arrest

My case in point....laws schmaws. Some people can now attack RCMP without being charged. Is this the fairness you preach about? What more facts can I assemble for you to show the inequality going on here! Do you need further debate on the subject??

[crankster]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/303648/Charges-dropped-against-First-Nations-chief-in-violent-arrest

My case in point....laws schmaws. Some people can now attack RCMP without being charged. Is this the fairness you preach about? What more facts can I assemble for you to show the inequality going on here! Do you need further debate on the subject??

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/charges-dro ... -1.4997688
Such a farce!

[lesliepaul]

Well now this fine upstanding "Chief" who should be setting a example gets to no doubt carry on in life the same way as always.........wonder if he properly insured his vehicle?...........DOUBT IT!

[crankster]

Well now this fine upstanding "Chief" who should be setting a example gets to no doubt carry on in life the same way as always.........wonder if he properly insured his vehicle?...........DOUBT IT!

Yes well, now we see the double standard and two sets of laws. Three actually. One for the rich, in which they are not responsible for anything they do. One for the FN/Black/Asian etc etc and surprisingly its the same! Then the rest of us. Racists, disgusting white supremacists, responsible for all the ills of every colored race on the globe. Oh well...at least I'm not a hypocrite.

[Glacier]

This video is amazing. It really does a good job explaining police brutality.

[occasional thoughts]

Yes, a 51:35 outline, explanation and justification of what many of us already suspect and feel about these things. It helps mute some possible criticism that the speaker is White and "Christian" and male, but his academic background will allow some of our fellow posters to dismiss him. For the very reason that "some" humans' behaviour will always necessitate the presence of traditional policing, "some" police officers will be bad apples and mal-motivated and should be identified and tossed or never hired.