Loblaws profits climb

Social, economic and environmental issues in our ever-changing world.
User avatar
Richadio
Board Meister
Posts: 646
Joined: Feb 7th, 2019, 6:50 pm

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by Richadio »

fluffy wrote:There could have been some of that to be sure. That was the way of things then. You could buy a house and have a new car in the driveway on a single income with something like a bank job or a grocery store job with some seniority. I've been shopping in Pentiction for a few decades and watched things change. Where there used to be someone at Safeway that you'd seen there for ages now it's all part time employees with not enough hours to qualify for a benefit package, and the long time union members were offered very generous buy-outs for early retirement. Nothing unusual by any means, but a long way from honest concern for employee welfare.


The same thing at the Safeway in my community. Growing up there were the full time cashiers you new on a personal level to some extent. Not anymore, new cashiers are there every week, can't keep up with the turn over.

GordonH wrote:At one time hourly rate at grocery stores like Safeway were pretty good, then everything changed because a company came along that didn’t give a damn about it’s employees.
Did give a damn about shareholders, so everyone had to follow along (new hires wages was lowered to minimum). This is 1 of many reasons I will never step foot into this business ever.


It's not just Safeway but all major grocery chains. They hire you at just below full time hours, like 28-30 per week so you do not qualify for benefits.
Loblaws chain Dominion stores back east have been on strike since Aug after they took away the pandemic pay. The company has 11 stores and 1400 employees in NL and 80% are part time workers with 60 full time jobs converted to part time.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin.
User avatar
oneh2obabe
feistres Goruchaf y Bwrdd
Posts: 84207
Joined: Nov 23rd, 2007, 8:19 am

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by oneh2obabe »

The striking Dominion workers reached a new collective agreement roughly a week ago. The 4-year contract is backdated to October 2019.
Dance as if no one's watching, sing as if no one's listening, and live everyday as if it were your last.

Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain.
User avatar
Richadio
Board Meister
Posts: 646
Joined: Feb 7th, 2019, 6:50 pm

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by Richadio »

oneh2obabe wrote:The striking Dominion workers reached a new collective agreement roughly a week ago. The 4-year contract is backdated to October 2019.


I knew this, that wasn't the point of the post. Final offer by the company was offered last week and voted on this weekend.
But thanks anyway for that.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin.
User avatar
normaM
Admiral HMS Castanet
Posts: 27663
Joined: Sep 18th, 2007, 7:28 am

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by normaM »

I didn't know they had committed fraud.
Totally agree with Fluffy that the pandemic pay should have never been clawed back
Years ago Grocery Cashiers were paid very well.
You can try and dirty my name, but I'll wear your hate like war paint
User avatar
fluffy
Buddha of the Board
Posts: 22597
Joined: Jun 1st, 2006, 5:42 pm

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by fluffy »

normaM wrote:Years ago Grocery Cashiers were paid very well.


Yes, and that is part of a much bigger conversation , the "lapsing" of any sort of social contract between employer and employee. "Good jobs", jobs with a decent, indexed wage and a good benefit package were a lot more common a few decades ago. Now they only seem to come with a hard fought union contract. And people question the need for a "reset".
How can a worker be both essential and unworthy of a living wage ?
rustled
Walks on Forum Water
Posts: 14027
Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by rustled »

fluffy wrote:
normaM wrote:Years ago Grocery Cashiers were paid very well.


Yes, and that is part of a much bigger conversation , the "lapsing" of any sort of social contract between employer and employee. "Good jobs", jobs with a decent, indexed wage and a good benefit package were a lot more common a few decades ago. Now they only seem to come with a hard fought union contract. And people question the need for a "reset".

Of course we question it. If the "reset" is liable to do more good than harm, we'd be given the answers we seek. Instead we're shushed and admonished with fuzzy, feel-good concepts based entirely on fuzzy thinking. Because "social contract" is, rather obviously, one of those fuzzy-thinking phrases that proposes people should be paid for their time regardless of the value of their productivity.

That's a nice notion for those who can't or won't find a way to better their own situation, and it inevitably leads to disaster for that very reason: it's nice for them AND a disincentive to everyone else, AND it's on the backs of those who actually drive the economy required to sustain necessary social programs - programs for those genuinely incapable of self-reliance and personal responsibility - along with the basics (health, education and public infrastructure) we all rely on for a reasonable quality of life.

An employment contract is NOT a social contract, and all the "everyone says it is" or "moving in the right direction" or "for the greater good of all" cannot make it so. The inevitable implosion of these overly lofty "social contract" socialist notions come, inevitably, first at the expense of sustainable social programs for the people who genuinely need the most basic of our social programs.

If Loblaws can't afford to pay their employees - if their employees' productivity cannot support the wage load - they close their doors. While I was as disgusted as anyone when we paid for their refrigeration equipment, that is no excuse for irrational thinking about wages.
mbfarm131
Fledgling
Posts: 209
Joined: Jul 24th, 2018, 11:51 am

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by mbfarm131 »

Caring about issues like this is good. Acting on them is even better. Shopping exclusively at locally owned small businesses is the best way to vote with your wallet and do your part to counteract what seems to be a fast approaching corporate monolithic takeover of essentially all goods and services.

Since Covid hit, we shop for any groceries we need exclusively at Farmers Fruit and Produce in Lake Country and get sodium ascorbate and cod liver oil from Abaco Health. Our meat comes from local farmers in the Armstrong area. Haven't spent a single dollar at a corporate chain in 8 months. Costs are inevitably a bit higher, so we cut out the unnecessary junk to save some money which has, in turn, provided the benefit of better health and wellness. My family and I are the healthiest we've ever been, it's almost as if nutrition has some sort of effect on the immune system (crazy thought, I know). If it weren't for the media, we'd have absolutely no idea there is supposedly a pandemic going on.

No sense in pounding your fist and crying foul, it's a waste of time and energy, just shift your own habits. That's all you can do.
Even Steven
Guru
Posts: 5749
Joined: Mar 24th, 2015, 7:20 pm

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by Even Steven »

mbfarm131 wrote:No sense in pounding your fist and crying foul, it's a waste of time and energy, just shift your own habits. That's all you can do.


Well said.
strongarm242
Posts: 51
Joined: Apr 8th, 2016, 8:48 am

Re: Loblaws profits climb

Post by strongarm242 »

Even Steven wrote:
mbfarm131 wrote:No sense in pounding your fist and crying foul, it's a waste of time and energy, just shift your own habits. That's all you can do.


Well said.



I understand this attitude to some extent, but it's also this type of complacency they're counting on. If we never complain we're almost guaranteed things won't improve, and in this age of social media it should be easy to organize a collective discontent movement, but I guess we're all exhausted from the daily grind and COVID.

Return to “Social Concerns”