Disability and welfare is the downfall of Canada.

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Disability and welfare is the downfall of Canada.

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I am absolutely sick of seeing how much money our government just hands out for welfare, disability, and now this covid relief garbage. I have yet to meet someone on welfare or covid relief who actually needs it and isnt just too lazy or proud to work at a gas station or mcdonalds. And yet to meet someone on disability who was actually so disabled they couldnt work at all.

Us hard working folk should all stand up together in the millions and tell our government enough is enough or we will just keep getting raped.

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How is it we continue to hand thousands of dollars to people to just be alcoholics and addicts. But when someone who is trying to better themselves and their country by getting educated and getting a good job they call it a loan, and charge interest, and just take money from your bank account whether you can afford it or not. I for one am embarrassed to be Canadian right now, something I never thought I would hear anyone say let alone myself.
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There's that compassionate conservatism!

You heard it here folks, based on highly scientific and objective research, no one on welfare, CERB or disability actually needs the money or support, they are all just lazy. Glad we've cleared that up!
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Gilchy wrote:There's that compassionate conservatism!

You heard it here folks, based on highly scientific and objective research, no one on welfare, CERB or disability actually needs the money or support, they are all just lazy. Glad we've cleared that up!
And the first one admits to collecting without needing.
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Yup, that's the takeaway from my post.
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Gilchy wrote:There's that compassionate conservatism!

You heard it here folks, based on highly scientific and objective research, no one on welfare, CERB or disability actually needs the money or support, they are all just lazy. Glad we've cleared that up!
Well unfortunately its the truth for about 80%of the people collecting on the back of the tax payer, laziness is not a disability by the way.
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And of course you have the stats to show that 80% of assistance recipients are simply lazy.
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edit The downfall of Canada....umm the paid ppl in Ottawa will be it's downfall.
The people that don't pay tax- you know... the rich that have accountants with a sharp pencil that says they don't pay tax. None some of them....Not the person that's on a disability that works part time and DOES pay tax. I had a g/f a couple of years ago that was PWD. She worked harder than most millionaires I've known at the jobs she could get. She also paid more income tax than most of the millionaires. :smt045
It's downfall will be its high level corruption, and being sold out.
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I'm sure there is abuse. I also think there are many collecting that need the help.

I've been working full time at various jobs/companies for 25+ years now. Never once collected EI, much less welfare or disability. At times that ment taking min wage jobs I hated until I could find something better.

I share your concern when reading about people who've been collecting for years. I strongly suspect most of whom are not seriously trying to get a job and/or not willing to take a menial min-wage job.

If given the opportunity I'd totally reform welfare. There'd still be a taxpayer funded system, but with time limits and protection for children, elderly, and those truly not able to work. I'm all for helping those in need and in times of transition - but when that turns into a lifetime of suckling at taxpayer's *bleep* instead of working I'd cut those folks off and they can die of starvation if that's their choice vs working.

I've had the opportunity to get to know 3 separate families over the years who've been receiving such benefits for more than 12 months. All 3 I felt were taking advantage of the system/taxpayers vs legitimately needing that help. I'm sure there are many out there who aren't milking the system tho.
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TylerM4 wrote:I'm sure there is abuse. I also think there are many collecting that need the help.

I've been working full time at various jobs/companies for 25+ years now. Never once collected EI, much less welfare or disability. At times that ment taking min wage jobs I hated until I could find something better.

I share your concern when reading about people who've been collecting for years. I strongly suspect most of whom are not seriously trying to get a job and/or not willing to take a menial min-wage job.

If given the opportunity I'd totally reform welfare. There'd still be a taxpayer funded system, but with time limits and protection for children, elderly, and those truly not able to work. I'm all for helping those in need and in times of transition - but when that turns into a lifetime of suckling at taxpayer's *bleep* instead of working I'd cut those folks off and they can die of starvation if that's their choice vs working.

I've had the opportunity to get to know 3 separate families over the years who've been receiving such benefits for more than 12 months. All 3 I felt were taking advantage of the system/taxpayers vs legitimately needing that help. I'm sure there are many out there who aren't milking the system tho.
why stop there ? ppl that drink and smoke or eat wrong foods all cost way to much for society . they should all be cut off from healthcare and made to pay ten times more for everything .
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^^^ I'd rather just put in a UBI and be done with it. If a person needs additional supports for their condition then give that as needed.
Too many people fall through the cracks of a gongshow of federal and provincial systems. A person on a federal disability can move anywhere in Canada. A person on a provincial disability with the same problem as the person on the federal disability that wants to move to another province can't because the individual provinces may have different legislation in regards to what would be covered. That's just one example. Many others I'm sure.
UBI could fix a lot of economic inequalities in Canada. It would be far more efficient. It could also put a lot of people out of work as in the people that are employed in the current systems. A UBI would streamline them out of a job-that wouldn't be a bad thing in this case.
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Gilchy wrote:And of course you have the stats to show that 80% of assistance recipients are simply lazy.
Seriously you need stats how about opening your eyes and looking around.
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Several years ago, I worked at fast food restaurants making minimum wage. I worked there for years thinking I could get promotions and work my way up, only to be led along on a string. Unfortunately it wasn't a lot of job experience though for a resume. I worked a few other places trying to gain more experience, however I was hit by layoff after layoff, and having short stints of a few months didn't present well either. Coming out of foster care with very little to my name, and only minimum wage jobs that I worked overtime at just to afford rent (to the detriment of school), and no real family support meant I was pretty much out of options. What was I to do? Live on the street? Well others I had known from group homes and foster care certainly ended up that way.

I went on welfare. And it wasn't easy either. I had to prove I was submitting job applications, show all my spending history, prove I wasn't making money. I had to attend courses on job training, all to receive the barest minimum to afford rent, a bus pass, and the cheapest foods I could find. I probably took a few thousand dollars from taxpayers over the few months or so I was on welfare. And then the program helped me identify strengths and find workplaces in town I did not know about. Someone even helped drive me around to drop off resumes at these places. Finally thanks to welfare, I was able to find a job, which set me on my current career path. I went from minimum wage, to welfare, to "living wage" to middle class. I pay more in taxes each month due to my income than I ever received off of welfare in total.

Honestly the people who complain the most about welfare never have the slightest clue what they are talking about, and the assumptions they make about people on it just further shows their ignorance.
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indianlarry66 wrote: why stop there ? ppl that drink and smoke or eat wrong foods all cost way to much for society . they should all be cut off from healthcare and made to pay ten times more for everything .
Well 3 reasons really:
1) That's transitioning straight from direct costs to taxpayers to indirect costs. Much harder to manage something like that.
2) We already do this. Taxes on cigs, cannabis, and alcohol are extraordinarily high, much of the reason is to offset the cost of healthcare. I'd support the same for unhealthy foods assuming it's applied in a reasonable manner. Unfortunately, you can't tax lazyness.
3) The idea that alcoholics, obese people, or smokers cost taxpayers more money is a common fallacy. They don't in the long term. Did you know that 90% of healthcare dollars spent on you will be spent during the last 10 years of your life? These people die sooner saving taxpayers the cost of caring for them when they are elderly.

Sorry, I know you thought you were throwing down a trump card there.
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Omnitheo wrote:Several years ago, I worked at fast food restaurants making minimum wage. I worked there for years thinking I could get promotions and work my way up, only to be led along on a string. Unfortunately it wasn't a lot of job experience though for a resume. I worked a few other places trying to gain more experience, however I was hit by layoff after layoff, and having short stints of a few months didn't present well either. Coming out of foster care with very little to my name, and only minimum wage jobs that I worked overtime at just to afford rent (to the detriment of school), and no real family support meant I was pretty much out of options. What was I to do? Live on the street? Well others I had known from group homes and foster care certainly ended up that way.

I went on welfare. And it wasn't easy either. I had to prove I was submitting job applications, show all my spending history, prove I wasn't making money. I had to attend courses on job training, all to receive the barest minimum to afford rent, a bus pass, and the cheapest foods I could find. I probably took a few thousand dollars from taxpayers over the few months or so I was on welfare. And then the program helped me identify strengths and find workplaces in town I did not know about. Someone even helped drive me around to drop off resumes at these places. Finally thanks to welfare, I was able to find a job, which set me on my current career path. I went from minimum wage, to welfare, to "living wage" to middle class. I pay more in taxes each month due to my income than I ever received off of welfare in total.

Honestly the people who complain the most about welfare never have the slightest clue what they are talking about, and the assumptions they make about people on it just further shows their ignorance.
Thanks for sharing and I'm really glad the system helped you get on your feet.

I'm not sure I speak for the OP, but from my perspective you and people who went through times like you did aren't the problem. I don't believe everyone who goes on welfare is a lazy bum. But I do think that the majority of people who spend years on welfare are.
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Boosted632 wrote: Seriously you need stats how about opening your eyes and looking around.
What does someone who's collecting Disability, say, due to crippling PTSD look like? Is there a way to tell them apart from slackers who just don't want to work and have a doctor's note?

Maybe this isn't as cut-and-dried as some of us think.
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