Why Are Most Gay Men Conservatives ?

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Why Are Most Gay Men Conservatives ?

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We always see stories if anti gay conservatives getting busted at gay parties or in restrooms with other men and i just wonder why that is ?

https://www.advocate.com/politicians/20 ... -gay-or-bi
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My thoughts (not facts).
1. They grew up in households that were very strict and did not align with their feelings and values. So they learned to suppress it and bash it, while satisfying it (kinda like serial killers in my mind).
2. There group of friends or places they have been around (place of worship, friends circles, school) have been anti-gay or made gay remarks so they stay hidden so they do not need to deal with the repercussions or be kicked-out.
3. They know they have a firm right-leaning/religious base and to appease them they will say what the base wants to hear. It isn't about saving lives, being patriotic or god, its about what makes them comfortable.
4. They know how to play politics so they hide who they are and give the people what they want.
5. They want it all, they get the wife, kids acceptance from the base, while they also get there gratification as well. They might also like the thrill of hiding.
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indianlarry66 wrote: We always see stories if anti gay conservatives getting busted at gay parties or in restrooms with other men and i just wonder why that is ?
I remember discussing the issue of homosexuality and whether or not it is a choice in psychology. The idea it could be a choice was quickly dismissed so the question became what evolutionary purpose could be served by some humans being born homosexual. One idea is that when the planet or civilization is under great stress, more humans might be born homosexual so as to not reproduce – the theory being less people would result in less stress on the planet. This is just speculation, of course, but would be consistent with the idea that less conservatives would be a good thing for our civilization.
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I think it's just the perception we get when you hear those stories of gay conservative men getting seen or "cought" in gay situations. Would it be worth reporting in they were leftists?

Guess i should stay on topic lol
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Quite the biased framing, but I doubt you were looking for anything honest or unbiased anyways.
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Staredintoabyss wrote:Quite the biased framing, but I doubt you were looking for anything honest or unbiased anyways.
Have fun with your echo chamber.
lol well to be honest mine is more fun than yours .

It is a specific question and i admit that . there is no secret hidden meaning hear . its all out in the open so to speak .

i will also add there is nothing wrong with gay conservatives and i support their quest for equal rights even if they themselves vote against them rights on a daily basis
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indianlarry66 wrote: i will also add there is nothing wrong with gay conservatives and i support their quest for equal rights even if they themselves vote against them rights on a daily basis
Go thru this list of topics for the 2019 election.
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/electio ... platforms/

Notice how gay rights aren't even debated because nobody is looking to remove the rights of people - any people. Indigenous issues were listed tho as they need more support.
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Sparki55 wrote:
indianlarry66 wrote: i will also add there is nothing wrong with gay conservatives and i support their quest for equal rights even if they themselves vote against them rights on a daily basis
Go thru this list of topics for the 2019 election.
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/electio ... platforms/

Notice how gay rights aren't even debated because nobody is looking to remove the rights of people - any people. Indigenous issues were listed tho as they need more support.
debates do not cover all of the topics, just the ones that are of high interest to the public.

We have seen Republicans errode rights for transgenders, gays and others weather its in the military or overall. Why do you think there is always a huge uproar when it comes to conversion therapy, or marriage equality, adoption, blood donations, etc.
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AlienSoldier wrote:We have seen Republicans errode rights for transgenders, gays and others weather its in the military or overall.
I haven't seen this. Please provide some concrete examples.
AlienSoldier wrote:Why do you think there is always a huge uproar when it comes to conversion therapy, or marriage equality, adoption, blood donations, etc.
Again - I haven't seen this. Bill C-6 is about to pass. It has problems unto itself, many being raised by the LGBTQ community. However, I don't see that we, as a society, are trying to promote conversion therapy, or limit equality. Please provide concrete examples to the contrary.
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It's because they're men.

Milo Yiannopoulos, Douglas Murray, Andrew Doyle, Dave Rubin, J.J. McCulloch, etc. are all gay conservatives because men in general tend to be more economic libertarians. In recent years, the gender divide has really grown. Doesn't matter if we're talking Canada, the USA, or Europe, we see the same trend with women shifting left and men shifting right.
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36Drew wrote:
AlienSoldier wrote:We have seen Republicans errode rights for transgenders, gays and others weather its in the military or overall.
I haven't seen this. Please provide some concrete examples.
AlienSoldier wrote:Why do you think there is always a huge uproar when it comes to conversion therapy, or marriage equality, adoption, blood donations, etc.
Again - I haven't seen this. Bill C-6 is about to pass. It has problems unto itself, many being raised by the LGBTQ community. However, I don't see that we, as a society, are trying to promote conversion therapy, or limit equality. Please provide concrete examples to the contrary.
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https://time.com/5595474/donald-trump-r ... otections/

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Just 4 years ago a couple took a big risk and opened up in the very Right Wing city of Chilliwack.
Unfortunately it only survived a year.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4427451

I wasn't at all surprised, after having grown up with religion in Chilliwack.
Every church I attended preached how homosexuality was wrong. Yet I swear they had the same 10% average every other city I have lived in has.

This sure didn't help me accept it when I found out my best friend is Bi. It probably took me 6 months to realize he is still the same person and has no intention on converting anyone.
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I'm sorry - I didn't realize that we live in the USA and that Trump is our leader. Oh wait, American laws have no bearings on civil liberties in Canada. Please try again with relevant examples as to how we - AS CANADIANS - are working to "errode rights for transgenders, gays and others weather its in the military or overall" and where "there is always a huge uproar when it comes to conversion therapy, or marriage equality, adoption, blood donations, etc."
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36Drew wrote:
I'm sorry - I didn't realize that we live in the USA and that Trump is our leader. Oh wait, American laws have no bearings on civil liberties in Canada. Please try again with relevant examples as to how we - AS CANADIANS - are working to "errode rights for transgenders, gays and others weather its in the military or overall" and where "there is always a huge uproar when it comes to conversion therapy, or marriage equality, adoption, blood donations, etc."
https://ipolitics.ca/2012/01/12/conserv ... ls-charge/

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2019/0 ... m-too.html

https://north99.org/2019/07/06/alberta- ... -students/

You know, you can do some research to ;) lol
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Article is from 2012. It's also arguing a rather fine point - asking for an international marriage to be recognized so it could be dissolved. However, the couple was not legally married in either England or Florida, so there was no marriage to be dissolved. There was nothing stopping them from being legally-wed in Canada just to go through divorce proceedings.

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2019/0 ... m-too.html

Political debate is not only encouraged in Canada, but is regarded as a basic fundamental tenet of civil society within Canada. While you or I may not agree with someone discussing the repeal of a piece of legislation, or the replacement thereof - it's a fundamental component of how our political system works. That said - Bill-24 is still alive and well. In addition, Alberta also has their own Human Rights Act (as does BC) that exceeds our federal legislation. I'm still unsure how we, as a Canadian society, are eroding rights?

https://north99.org/2019/07/06/alberta- ... -students/

https://globalnews.ca/news/5463387/albe ... es-debate/

Students are allowed to form GSAs under the bill. NDP says that schools have a duty to inform parents, and parents have a right to know. But...

https://globalnews.ca/news/5406183/albe ... sure-gsas/

"Clayton made it clear a student’s participation in a GSA qualifies as personal information under the Freedom of Information Protection Act (FOIP) and Personal Information Protection Act (PIPA)."

Again, I fail to see how any rights were eroded?
AlienSoldier wrote:You know, you can do some research to ;) lol
You made the claims. The onus is on you to provide examples. That's generally how debate works - state a point, provide some facts, accept feedback. You've also provided no commentary around those articles, so I have absolutely no idea what it is that you take issue with. Perhaps next time, you can up your debate game and be a little more factual and precise?
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