Shutting Down Line 5

[Glacier]

Michigan is set to shut down Line 5 in less than 10 days, and if this happens, things will get interesting. There will be DEVASTATING impacts on Canada's economy. Oil and gas will be rationed in Ontario and Quebec.

Also, airlines will feel the pinch. Keep in mind that Toroton's international airport gets its jet fuel from Sarnia, and most of Sarnia’s oil feedstock comes via Line 5.

This could go 1 of 4 ways.
1) Michigan changes its mind.
2) Canada invokes a never before used clause of NAFTA that allows them to overrule American state laws.
3) Enbridge refuses to shut down the line, and keeps the oil flowing.
4) The line is shut down, and rolling oil blackouts occur.

[oneh2obabe]

Could happen but the courts will have final say on which court will hear the case.

As the state’s May 12 deadline for Canadian oil company Enbridge to shut down its Line 5 pipeline looms, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s lawsuit to enforce the shutdown still remains in flux while a federal judge decides which court will preside over the case.

On Tuesday, Enbridge filed nearly 50 pages of legal arguments in response to the state’s motion to remand State of Michigan v Enbridge back to the 30th Circuit Court. Attorney General Dana Nessel had filed that motion on March 16 in an effort to keep the lawsuit where it was originally filed and to keep the focus primarily on state law.

https://www.michiganadvance.com/2021/04 ... ral-court/

[The Green Barbarian]

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[The Green Barbarian]

Kelly McParland: Michigan, not COVID, may be the biggest threat to Canada's economy

Enbridge Line 5 supplies products are needed for about 45 per cent of Ontario’s crude oil needs, all the jet fuel at Pearson and about half the fuel needed to make gasoline in Quebec

The biggest immediate threat to Canada’s ability to emerge from the COVID crisis with a functioning economy lies not in who gets which type of vaccine, how quickly the provinces wean themselves off shutdowns or how many extra billions the Liberals are determined to spend in search of popularity.

It lies in a pipeline. Not the better-known Keystone or Trans Mountain lines that have been the focus of intense national and cross-border debate, but the more obscure Line 5, an Enbridge conduit that carries petroleum and other products from Western Canada to the eastern provinces by way of Michigan. It usually gets little attention because it’s been in operation with minimal drama since the 1950s. Its future has suddenly become questionable because Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a close ally of President Joe Biden, wants it shut down.

This is no small pipeline. It supplies products needed for about 45 per cent of Ontario’s crude oil needs, all the jet fuel at Pearson International Airport and about half the fuel needed by Quebec refineries to make gasoline.It’s important to Michigan as well, as it ships about 55 per cent of the state’s propane, and 65 per cent used in the state’s upper peninsula.

Whitmer issued a notice in November informing Enbridge she would revoke an easement that has been in place since 1953, permitting the line to pass under a narrow waterway known as the Straits of Mackinac. She gave Enbridge until May 1 to shut it down, a six-month window “allowing for an orderly transition that protects Michigan’s energy needs.” As for Canada’s needs, too bad.

Whitmer’s reasoning is fear of potential spills in the Straits. Enbridge says there hasn’t been a leak in 65 years of operation; environmentalists say sure, but Enbridge has had spills in other places. The company has applied to add an extra layer of protection to make extra sure the line is safe.

It’s not hard to see this is a political and ideological debate, not a serious one about pipeline safety. The fact the state would issue a peremptory order with six months’ notice after 65 years of safe operation tells you Whitmer isn’t trying to solve a problem, but score some domestic political points.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly- ... as-economy

[BC Landlord]

Perhaps, some will then come to senses, and stop opposing building pipelines across Canada.

[The Green Barbarian]

Perhaps, some will then come to senses, and stop opposing building pipelines across Canada.

You know that the people who built Line 5 and the TransCanada pipeline, if they were alive today, would be laughing heartily at the concept that a pipeline is "bad", especially in the context of the man-made climate change fairy tale. Cutting off pipelines doesn't solve anything regarding the man-made climate change hoax. It just makes everything far worse. The trains and trucks required to haul what could be going through pipelines are way way more polluting. Gretchen Whitmer is an imbecile. But she's a Democrat, so that goes without saying.

[TylerM4]

You know that the people who built Line 5 and the TransCanada pipeline, if they were alive today, would be laughing heartily at the concept that a pipeline is "bad", especially in the context of the man-made climate change fairy tale. Cutting off pipelines doesn't solve anything regarding the man-made climate change hoax. It just makes everything far worse. The trains and trucks required to haul what could be going through pipelines are way way more polluting. Gretchen Whitmer is an imbecile. But she's a Democrat, so that goes without saying.

If you read the articles, you'll see the reason they want to shut down the pipeline has nothing to do about climate change. Nor has climate change been mentioned at all until this post. I know you're passionate about denying man made climate change, but please let's keep the thread on topic.

I agree with the rest tho and I think more pipelines should be built. Safer and better for the environment vs the alternatives (boats/tankers, rail, or truck). Pipeline opponents are too short cited to realize their actions do more environmental harm than good. Maybe this will be Canada's opportunity to build our own pipeline vs paying to use an American line.

[The Green Barbarian]

If you read the articles, you'll see the reason they want to shut down the pipeline has nothing to do about climate change. Nor has climate change been mentioned at all until this post. I know you're passionate about denying man made climate change, but please let's keep the thread on topic.

Horse puckey. You know these people are idiots, so of course they are going to make this about the AGW myth.

The fate of the Line 5 pipeline is officially a climate issue in the eyes of Michigan regulators.

The Michigan Public Service Commission on Wednesday ruled that it must consider evidence on greenhouse gas pollution caused by petroleum flowing through Line 5 as it decides whether Canadian oil giant Enbridge energy can relocate the pipeline inside of a tunnel designed to extend the pipeline’s life span in the Straits of Mackinac.

Pipeline opponents called the decision historic: It’s the first time Michigan regulators have factored greenhouse gas emissions into their scrutiny of a project’s environmental impacts under the Michigan Environmental Protection Act.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-envir ... 5-decision

I agree with the rest tho and I think more pipelines should be built. Safer and better for the environment vs the alternatives (boats/tankers, rail, or truck). Pipeline opponents are too short cited to realize their actions do more environmental harm than good. Maybe this will be Canada's opportunity to build our own pipeline vs paying to use an American line.

I think that this is probably what it's going to take to get those boneheads out east to finally approve an East-West pipeline. It's too bad it had to come to one of the dumbest governors in US history putting a gun to everyone's head to make it happen.

[The Green Barbarian]

Rex Murphy: How's Trudeau going to get out of this Line 5 pickle and keep oil flowing?

Has it come to pass that an oil and gas pipeline going into Ontario may be stopped? Shut down? Closed? Was this foretold in scripture? Did St. Greta of the Hard Stare lay a curse upon the land? How can this be?

Yet so it appears. The governor of the state of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer, has decreed for the good of the world environment that Enbridge Line-5, which passes through her state on its way to Ontario, will be closed.

The mind rebels. It is so difficult to understand.

For do not all the books of the law which govern the darkness of pipelines have but one target, and the commandments which govern them apply to one province alone: Alberta?

Thou shall not build a new pipeline in the land of Alberta. Neither under the ground, nor on the ground above, nor on rails. It is forbidden.

And thou shalt not support the ones that are already there, for it is a wholesome thing to condemn them, and ye will receive many carbon credits and a new bicycle if ye do.

For has it not been written in The Book of Greta: “Out of the hydrocarbons of Fort McMurray will come a great darkness, and out of the oil of Alberta alone, issues all pestilence and dread, and a great threat to the hummingbirds?

Elizabeth of Sannich, visitor of cities, goddess of travel agents, whose air miles are as numerous as sands upon the beach, has given warning in like words: “The oil of the peoples of Alberta must layeth in the ground forever. Cursed be those who detect it. Cursed be those that buy it. And let anathema fall and darken the generations on all who would say otherwise. For they are shills. Let there be no Alberta pipelines lest ye perish.”

Here endeth the lesson.

The threat that by May 12, Gov. Whitmer will shut down Line 5 to Ontario, is so beautiful an issue it should be hanging in an art gallery.

For what have we to look at? We have two leaders, Greener than shamrocks, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Gov. Whitmer, who see themselves plucked by the goddess of destiny herself, as human ambulances rushing to save the Earth from global warming. Who colour their dreams with visions of every oil and gas project in the world evaporating, and a flood of solar panels and a wilderness of windmills covering the planet.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/r ... d=msedgntp

[rustled]

Rex Murphy: How's Trudeau going to get out of this Line 5 pickle and keep oil flowing?

Has it come to pass that an oil and gas pipeline going into Ontario may be stopped? Shut down? Closed? Was this foretold in scripture? Did St. Greta of the Hard Stare lay a curse upon the land? How can this be?

Yet so it appears. The governor of the state of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer, has decreed for the good of the world environment that Enbridge Line-5, which passes through her state on its way to Ontario, will be closed.

The mind rebels. It is so difficult to understand.

For do not all the books of the law which govern the darkness of pipelines have but one target, and the commandments which govern them apply to one province alone: Alberta?

Thou shall not build a new pipeline in the land of Alberta. Neither under the ground, nor on the ground above, nor on rails. It is forbidden.

And thou shalt not support the ones that are already there, for it is a wholesome thing to condemn them, and ye will receive many carbon credits and a new bicycle if ye do.

For has it not been written in The Book of Greta: “Out of the hydrocarbons of Fort McMurray will come a great darkness, and out of the oil of Alberta alone, issues all pestilence and dread, and a great threat to the hummingbirds?

Elizabeth of Sannich, visitor of cities, goddess of travel agents, whose air miles are as numerous as sands upon the beach, has given warning in like words: “The oil of the peoples of Alberta must layeth in the ground forever. Cursed be those who detect it. Cursed be those that buy it. And let anathema fall and darken the generations on all who would say otherwise. For they are shills. Let there be no Alberta pipelines lest ye perish.”

Here endeth the lesson.

The threat that by May 12, Gov. Whitmer will shut down Line 5 to Ontario, is so beautiful an issue it should be hanging in an art gallery.

For what have we to look at? We have two leaders, Greener than shamrocks, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Gov. Whitmer, who see themselves plucked by the goddess of destiny herself, as human ambulances rushing to save the Earth from global warming. Who colour their dreams with visions of every oil and gas project in the world evaporating, and a flood of solar panels and a wilderness of windmills covering the planet.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/r ... d=msedgntp

A great wonderous pickle indeed!

[The Green Barbarian]

A great wonderous pickle indeed!

It just goes to show - every time our politicians have sold out their people in the name of these stupid "causes" like AGW, they end up having it bite them in the butt. I'm just so glad that it's Eastern Canada that is getting it right where the sun shines here, as they could have easily avoided this situation by NOT voting against new pipelines from Alberta. They screwed themselves, because they wanted to listen to idiots and fools telling stupid fairy tales.

[MCB]

Methinks Ontario and Quebec are in for a wake up call but don't quote me on that!

[Mark1111]

I sincerely hope it get shut down. Rolling shortages and trains full of fuel flying through Quebec towns (Lac Megantic disaster?) is exactly the kind of thing that will motivate the immediate building of an eastern line in Canada to supply the 14 refineries out there that are presently processing foreign oil.

Please please shut down line 5 now.

[Mark1111]

I sincerely hope it get shut down. Rolling shortages and trains full of fuel flying through Quebec towns (Lac Megantic disaster?) is exactly the kind of thing that will motivate the immediate building of an eastern line in Canada to supply the 14 refineries out there that are presently processing foreign oil.

Please please shut down line 5 now.

And Gretchen Whitmer is absolutely right. Its our oil running through our pipeline and it should be on our land. Totally agree.

[BC Landlord]

And Gretchen Whitmer is absolutely right. Its our oil running through our pipeline and it should be on our land. Totally agree.

Once shortages hit, people in Ontario and Quebec need to understand that it's not actually shortages of fuel, but pipelines. And that's a harder part.