What does Manhood mean to YOU

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oldtrucker wrote: Jun 9th, 2021, 1:38 pm In my minds eye I had a white picket fence , a rainbow and almost had some butterflies while reading this.
Real world isn't like that. There are people having as many kids with as many different partners they can to get gov't cheques and support payments from as many payers as they can....and manhood (in Canada anyway) is about realizing we are not equal in that arena and to avoid those situations because it-'the system' isn't going to work out your favour. Some streets are one way only. Just being a realist here, thats all.
Pretty bleak outlook. I admit, in general there is a lot of truth to what your saying, but that's not to say that having ideals geared toward building and preserving the ideal familial unit is unattainable. There are many ideal families out there, they just don't get any recognition or accolades.

Some streets are one way in regards to men can't go around having multiple kids and getting paid by the government for it? Yeah, I agree with you there, but what man want to do that? Have kids and be supported by the system? Why would he ever impregnate a woman who has that desire or capacity? She flirted with him one night at the pub? That's on him. A man is a slave to his appetites, and some men think that being a man means being some kind of "stud" that women find irresistible and bedding as many as they can. Well, those are not men, they're boys of varying ages. Low quality women prey on low quality men, why wouldn't they? If the man is just looking for the self-serving action of getting laid, then it's morally justified that the woman could be trying to attain the self-serving reaction of being as financially compensated as she can for the act. I'm trying to not get longwinded again. In my opinion what makes a man besides all the Hallmark qualities of being tough, reliable etc, is having a focus, an ideal, greater than his own material desires. By and large we're a material driven society nowadays, that negates any moral anchor or long term outlook, it's all about a rat race type of smash and grab where you get as much of the pie as you can and then you die. That's it. No wonder women take advantage of men who think like this, as I said previously: men lead. Some men make mistakes, and they should not be defined by them, but if they can be honest with themselves and hold themselves accountable for that mistake, learn and grow from it, rather than play the victim and gnash their teeth in anger, then they will overcome those mistakes and become wiser for it.

I think this modern move to an atheistic, science-driven, chaos-theory society is what's uncoupled men from that focus on something greater than their desires. You can call it god, the universe, ether, creator, life force...doesn't matter, when we lost the focus that existence is more than the material, we lost our moral anchor and it has led us to the point where we're at today. If we continue to believe that everything is random, chaotic chance, nothing matters, morality is relative to perception etc, then we've lost our polarity. If that's the case then we'll just keep spiraling into this world we've created for ourselves where nothing has meaning or definition, men can be women, women can be men, and a whole host of ever-expanding options. You are your own god and your existence is governed by nothing more than your fleeting urges. We're really going to let that narrative stick and then wonder why everything and everyone has gone crazy? When we reconnect with the idea that life is a test and that the morality that you've held yourself accountable to will determine whether you've passed the test or not, pathways become more defined, relationships become more enriched. Again, you can accuse me of being idealistic but I find it to be true.

I'm not a religious person, I don't go to church, I'm not trying to turn this thread into a debate on any of that. But I do believe there is something greater than myself and I hold myself morally accountable to it. I follow my morality, my wife follows me, the children follow her. If my morality wasn't anchored, if I followed my own material urges would she follow me or would she think I'm a joke, take the kids and instead have the system be her provider? And lets say she does one day completely flip and leave me and take the kids. Am I going to get angry and define myself on how I was so great but this crazy woman destroyed me? How would that serve me? I'd like to think I would take it as an opportunity to approach my own moral compass and see if there was something that I was missing. I'm sure that's easier said than done, but it's a reality that I don't plan on finding myself in because I was fortunate enough to find someone who connects completely with me on these matters.

Damnit, I got longwinded again. I'm ending this absolute word salad right here. I have a feeling that if we really drilled down on this topic, we'd find more we agreed with than disagreed with.
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mbfarm131 wrote: Jun 9th, 2021, 3:35 pm If the man is just looking for the self-serving action of getting laid, then it's morally justified that the woman could be trying to attain the self-serving reaction of being as financially compensated as she can for the act.
[icon_lol2.gif] As I said....meal ticket.No kids req.
I've even heard of some that stay co -habitated for the magic 2 years plus one day( in BC )and move on to the next 2 year support payment/ one time settlement, and so on.
mbfarm131 wrote: Jun 9th, 2021, 3:35 pm but that's not to say that having ideals geared toward building and preserving the ideal familial unit is unattainable. There are many ideal families out there, they just don't get any recognition or accolades.
What's the divorce rate? 70%? For the most part- fantasy.

Anyway....manhood is the topic. Right. Manhood is realizing who the master manipulator truly is (they hate it when you figure that out). Keep your own place of residence and don't lose your money or you won't have any manhood left. If your lucky, you might be able to keep one testicle after the dust settles if you don't keep your own residence.
Now I'm not saying that things go south every time for every man or myself, they don't. The most recent lady I hooked up with ( in 1971) was cool and wanted nothing but companionship. I'm saying that if or when things do go south ,it can turn out really bad for the dude far more often than the other way around. I've known 2 dudes that offed themselves because of the system. Equality is a fantasy.
And on the point of suicide,and being a man....the suicide rate- it's over 4 times that of females. Any guesses as to why? Not a rhetorical question either....there are lots of different opinions on that one. https://bcmj.org/articles/silent-epidemic-male-suicide
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Septuagenarian wrote: May 21st, 2021, 8:59 pm When a male stops messing around and starts making a meaningful life for others.
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oldtrucker wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 9:13 am I'm not sure the term is relevant or exists anymore.
If it does exist still, my definition from 40 years ago would be totally different than what it would be today.
Manhood....or masculinity, are no longer valued as they are not needed in our soft modern world.
I see your point with how many responses I have been getting. I asked my dad what manhood is and he said, "You know, we don't talk about that stuff, we keep things inside."
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Septuagenarian wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 9:54 am
oldtrucker wrote: May 22nd, 2021, 9:13 am I'm not sure the term is relevant or exists anymore.
If it does exist still, my definition from 40 years ago would be totally different than what it would be today.
Manhood....or masculinity, are no longer valued as they are not needed in our soft modern world.
Oh, dp you mean, something like this?
The idea of manliness has grown indelibly associated with the idea of being cool. We’d be wiser to shift the masculine ideal towards a new idea: warmth.

I love this truly this is very good!!!!
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:laugh:
TylerM4 wrote: Jun 9th, 2021, 8:43 am
alanjh595 wrote: Jun 8th, 2021, 4:24 pm I find this comment very interesting, as it groups three things together and classifies them as "weaker" than men.



That is saying that, "women are weaker and not equal to men".

That is a VERY interesting statement to make....... :138: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I feel like you're trying to stir the pot here. Popcorn emoji's and all. Hoping for some drama. Let's avoid that practice OK?

There is sexism, and then there is genetics. This is simply genetics. Men and women are not exactly the same. We are different and it's OK to recognize those differences.
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mbfarm131 wrote: Jun 9th, 2021, 3:35 pm
oldtrucker wrote: Jun 9th, 2021, 1:38 pm In my minds eye I had a white picket fence , a rainbow and almost had some butterflies while reading this.
Real world isn't like that. There are people having as many kids with as many different partners they can to get gov't cheques and support payments from as many payers as they can....and manhood (in Canada anyway) is about realizing we are not equal in that arena and to avoid those situations because it-'the system' isn't going to work out your favour. Some streets are one way only. Just being a realist here, thats all.
Pretty bleak outlook. I admit, in general there is a lot of truth to what your saying, but that's not to say that having ideals geared toward building and preserving the ideal familial unit is unattainable. There are many ideal families out there, they just don't get any recognition or accolades.

Some streets are one way in regards to men can't go around having multiple kids and getting paid by the government for it? Yeah, I agree with you there, but what man want to do that? Have kids and be supported by the system? Why would he ever impregnate a woman who has that desire or capacity? She flirted with him one night at the pub? That's on him. A man is a slave to his appetites, and some men think that being a man means being some kind of "stud" that women find irresistible and bedding as many as they can. Well, those are not men, they're boys of varying ages. Low quality women prey on low quality men, why wouldn't they? If the man is just looking for the self-serving action of getting laid, then it's morally justified that the woman could be trying to attain the self-serving reaction of being as financially compensated as she can for the act. I'm trying to not get longwinded again. In my opinion what makes a man besides all the Hallmark qualities of being tough, reliable etc, is having a focus, an ideal, greater than his own material desires. By and large we're a material driven society nowadays, that negates any moral anchor or long term outlook, it's all about a rat race type of smash and grab where you get as much of the pie as you can and then you die. That's it. No wonder women take advantage of men who think like this, as I said previously: men lead. Some men make mistakes, and they should not be defined by them, but if they can be honest with themselves and hold themselves accountable for that mistake, learn and grow from it, rather than play the victim and gnash their teeth in anger, then they will overcome those mistakes and become wiser for it.

I think this modern move to an atheistic, science-driven, chaos-theory society is what's uncoupled men from that focus on something greater than their desires. You can call it god, the universe, ether, creator, life force...doesn't matter, when we lost the focus that existence is more than the material, we lost our moral anchor and it has led us to the point where we're at today. If we continue to believe that everything is random, chaotic chance, nothing matters, morality is relative to perception etc, then we've lost our polarity. If that's the case then we'll just keep spiraling into this world we've created for ourselves where nothing has meaning or definition, men can be women, women can be men, and a whole host of ever-expanding options. You are your own god and your existence is governed by nothing more than your fleeting urges. We're really going to let that narrative stick and then wonder why everything and everyone has gone crazy? When we reconnect with the idea that life is a test and that the morality that you've held yourself accountable to will determine whether you've passed the test or not, pathways become more defined, relationships become more enriched. Again, you can accuse me of being idealistic but I find it to be true.

I'm not a religious person, I don't go to church, I'm not trying to turn this thread into a debate on any of that. But I do believe there is something greater than myself and I hold myself morally accountable to it. I follow my morality, my wife follows me, the children follow her. If my morality wasn't anchored, if I followed my own material urges would she follow me or would she think I'm a joke, take the kids and instead have the system be her provider? And lets say she does one day completely flip and leave me and take the kids. Am I going to get angry and define myself on how I was so great but this crazy woman destroyed me? How would that serve me? I'd like to think I would take it as an opportunity to approach my own moral compass and see if there was something that I was missing. I'm sure that's easier said than done, but it's a reality that I don't plan on finding myself in because I was fortunate enough to find someone who connects completely with me on these matters.

Damnit, I got longwinded again. I'm ending this absolute word salad right here. I have a feeling that if we really drilled down on this topic, we'd find more we agreed with than disagreed with.
Definitely love this and all the feedback I'm getting and will be using I am sincerely surprised and left with a lot more questions.
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Okay: I love all the responses and I am going to use them. Awesome discussion and so worth looking into with the way life and feminism and so many other situations in life has impacted men and the term as well. I agree it is old fashioned only because the more I *bleep* chat with men in person the more I hear them say: I don't know.... or the term is non existent nowadays. Shocking to hear so many men shrug shoulders and not say much about it. I heard from one mother that her two young sons cried after a class about gender and they were kicked out for calling their privates penis. how far have we gone to define men? I happen to love my dad so much and respect him, and he truly is a good man!

I talked to a friend of mine, and was discussing the fact that when I did this before and posted what is womanhood to you, I had a lot of responses way more than what I am seeing here. So my friend stated to .... ask questions because it will help narrow it down for them.

Questions like:
1. What superhero was your favorite as a kid?
2. What superhero as an adult is your favorite?
3. Who is your role model as a kid?
4. Who is your role model as an adult?
5. What do you think of when you hear
a) men are weak
b) men are strong
c) men are angry
d) grumpy man syndrome?
6. What advice would you give young men or what our government now is calling persons or personhood about being a male gender or heterosexual gender my goodness so so complicated I will rephrase the question and keep things simple!!!
6. What advice would you give your son? or young man about being a man?
7. If you had a father what traits would you consider a great quality?
8. As a wife or daughter, what do you think of your dad and his masculinity and what did you learn?

Does this help?
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Lol hahaha yes true enough but we all need a little help…. “Beatles sings it well”
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cb0208 wrote: Jun 11th, 2021, 10:24 pm d) grumpy man syndrome?
Other than describing myself(?) or perhaps gordon(?).....what is 'grumpy man syndrome'?
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oldtrucker wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 11:17 am .....what is 'grumpy man syndrome'?
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What the hell would a worthless loser like me know about manhood?

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