What Should We Do About World Population

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What Should We Do About World Population

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How is going from 7.8b to 11b good news? That’s a 40% increase over the current population!
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Otherwise an interesting video, thanks.
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nepal wrote: Jun 23rd, 2021, 7:42 pm .
How is going from 7.8b to 11b good news? That’s a 40% increase over the current population!
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Otherwise an interesting video, thanks.
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Welcome! I like the way Rosling helped us understand what we are looking at.

It's good news because population growth levels out at the 11b, which (despite the Malthusian alarmists) is unlikely to overtax the planetary resources. In developed countries, the majority of the population is able to spend resources sensibly reducing pollution. The shift to the industrial age created a great deal more pollution in cities in the developed world - and once people had electricity and tractors and irrigation, they were able to turn their attention to cleaning up the air and the water in their cities, and implementing harm reduction strategies to protect the environment.

If we're sensible with our resources, we will continue to improve how we use the land and the air and the water, developing new strategies and improved technologies.

Because the strategies and technologies developing countries will need as they come on line are already developed to the extent they are, these countries will be able to go through a much shorter transition than we did. For examples, think of the pollution in London at the turn of the last century, or the smog in 1970s Los Angeles, etc.

We had been sensibly focused on helping developing countries with clean drinking water, electricity, irrigation and improved agricultural practices prior to the distraction of climate alarmism. It seems to me we would do well to return to a focus on making a measurable difference in how developing countries bring themselves out of poverty, and to helping ensure they're in a position to make the best possible choices around how they, too, use the world's resources.
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impo water will be the breaking point of the human population... with food coming in a very close second.
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GordonH wrote: Jun 23rd, 2021, 8:31 pm impo water will be the breaking point of the human population... with food coming in a very close second.
All one has to do is look at the current drought conditions in the western USA.
And you can bet the Americans will be looking northward more and more at our abundant supply.
They will get it one day, by force or by political influence.
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GordonH wrote: Jun 23rd, 2021, 8:31 pm impo water will be the breaking point of the human population... with food coming in a very close second.
bb49 wrote: Jun 24th, 2021, 8:36 pm All one has to do is look at the current drought conditions in the western USA.
And you can bet the Americans will be looking northward more and more at our abundant supply.
They will get it one day, by force or by political influence.
I’m surprised California hasn’t attempted to try to divert 50% of Columbia River south.
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GordonH wrote: Jun 23rd, 2021, 8:31 pm impo water will be the breaking point of the human population... with food coming in a very close second.
:up: Same.
I suspect wars in the near and distant future will be fought over water. This is one hot spot:https://gwynnedyer.com/2020/river-of-the-dammed/

Euphrates and Tigris rivers are being dammed upstream of Iraq in Turkey and Syria:https://borgenproject.org/solving-the-w ... s-in-iraq/

Pakistan, similar concerns, however more climate changes:https://nation.com.pk/07-Aug-2020/water ... -solutions

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/22/sc ... ong-river/

Water, and the lack of it may well de-populate many areas of the globe, either through wars over it, or the inability to feed the countries population.

Currently, water is not, nor has been on any free trade agreement between Canada and the US. I truly hope it stays that way or before long enormous amounts of Great lakes water will be diverted south. St Lawrence seaway would become useless with a lowering of lake levels of any substantial amount.
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GordonH wrote: Jun 24th, 2021, 9:11 pm
GordonH wrote: Jun 23rd, 2021, 8:31 pm impo water will be the breaking point of the human population... with food coming in a very close second.
bb49 wrote: Jun 24th, 2021, 8:36 pm All one has to do is look at the current drought conditions in the western USA.
And you can bet the Americans will be looking northward more and more at our abundant supply.
They will get it one day, by force or by political influence.
I’m surprised California hasn’t attempted to try to divert 50% of Columbia River south.
They have looked at it.

America, along with thumbs up from Lester B. Pearson, gave water diversion from Alaska and Canada a long, serious look, through the North American Water and Power Alliance, aka NAWAPA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ame ... r_Alliance

What it boils down to is this,
...conceived in the 1950s by the US Army Corps of Engineers. The planners envisioned diverting water from some rivers in Alaska south through Canada via the Rocky Mountain Trench and other routes to the US and would involve 369 separate construction projects. The water would enter the US in northern Montana. There it would be diverted to the headwaters of rivers such as the Colorado River and the Yellowstone River.

Of course there would be serious environmental concerns, but if the western USA continues to dry out they will be looking north, and could kick start a mini version of NAWAPA either though political persuasion or by force.

The way parts of the west are drying out, is there any other solution?

Btw, I recall NAWAPA because many years ago as a young kid I was sitting biding time in a BC Hydro office, waiting for my father, and on the wall was this huge map of North America and all these dams and diversions laid out.

Drought is a very serious concern, and not just in North America.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/wf ... 021-06-23/

Not wars, not over population, but yes….climate change is the culprit
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For anyone that thinks there is no problem....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW4m1kDKoT4

This is what 8 billion looks like....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxejy6jd_zc Give yourself a say the right thing politically correct unicorn fart sticker for your fridge if you say that there is no problem....

Did you know that humans out weight all other mammal life on earth by nearly 10 times? We are normally a small fraction of the total mass of mammals on earth- as in less than 1%. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-XPpN95lbk
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Suggestion: Let Covid take its course.
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oldtrucker wrote: Jul 3rd, 2021, 10:19 am For anyone that thinks there is no problem....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW4m1kDKoT4

This is what 8 billion looks like....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxejy6jd_zc Give yourself a politically correct unicorn fart sticker for your fridge if you say that there is no problem....

Did you know that humans out weight all other mammal life on earth by nearly 10 times? We are normally a a small fraction of the total mass of mammals on earth- as in less than 1%. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-XPpN95lbk
It's not politically correct to say there's no reason to panic about our population.

It's not politically correct to point to the data that shows we've reached peak child - our global reproduction rates have already plateaued.

It's not politically correct to point out how the actions we need to take for simple humanitarian reasons - improving education and reducing child mortality - continue to alleviate these hyped-up concerns about overpopulation.

I'd love a unicorn fart sticker for saying the problem is overblown and people insist on clinging to ignorance to support a failing and unsubstantiated fear-mongering narrative. Can I still have one, even if everything I've been saying is politically incorrect?
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ckil wrote: Jul 3rd, 2021, 10:20 am Suggestion: Let Covid take its course.
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Catsumi wrote: Jun 25th, 2021, 6:35 pm https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/wf ... 021-06-23/
Not wars, not over population, but yes….climate change is the culprit
Over-population leads to deforestation which leads to higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
Over-population leads to increased consumerism which leads to increased manufacturing, increased fossil fuel consumption, increased pollution, increased CO2 emissions and so on.
Those who believe in man-made climate change would also believe that over-population is the root cause.
WESTman wrote: Jun 19th, 2021, 4:07 pm Mass vaccinations that sterilize..
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This is actually an entertaining and interesting 4-minute excerpt from the British TV show, Utopia. Worth a watch. Worth paying attention to what the man on the chair says.

Approximately 11 years ago, I worked with a seemingly healthy young woman who was taking fertility treatments (which were eventually successful, btw). She told us at work of how the waiting room in the fertility clinic was full of young women like herself - in their 20s, not in their late 30s/early 40s. She expressed surprise and wondered aloud as to what could be the cause of this infertility in women who should otherwise be at their most fertile. That's all. *shrug*
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