Modern-day guilt shaming

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jigsalot wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 8:24 am Exactly my friends. The government and the church are comprised of people. Let's not forget the people who closed their eyes and ears to what was going on. Even in the context of the times, residential schools were a national disgrace! As to sources...read a few books...take advanced studies...or, just follow some biased news media that want to white wash Canadian
history.
Remember that there was a lot that went on before residential schools became a thing. How many FN were wiped out in the Americas before from 1550 to 1850...ish by the direct /indirect actions of Spain? edit added timeline of events. https://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/cur/socst ... 8-5-1b.pdf Note line 11...probably the root of all the bleep ups...
"1500s–1600s Age of absolute monarchy in Europe: unlimited power and “divine right” "
At the time, residential schools were seen as a solution to mop up the fallout of pre 1850 events.
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rustled wrote: IMO, Ka-El, you are once again promoting an agenda that is doing harm under the guise of doing good.
Yes, we know that is your opinion. :smt045
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oldtrucker wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 11:20 am
jigsalot wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 8:24 am Exactly my friends. The government and the church are comprised of people. Let's not forget the people who closed their eyes and ears to what was going on. Even in the context of the times, residential schools were a national disgrace! As to sources...read a few books...take advanced studies...or, just follow some biased news media that want to white wash Canadian
history.
Remember that there was a lot that went on before residential schools became a thing. How many FN were wiped out in the Americas before from 1550 to 1850...ish by the direct /indirect actions of Spain? edit added timeline of events. https://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/cur/socst ... 8-5-1b.pdf Note line 11...probably the root of all the bleep ups...
"1500s–1600s Age of absolute monarchy in Europe: unlimited power and “divine right” "
At the time, residential schools were seen as a solution to mop up the fallout of pre 1850 events.
To a certain extent, probably. The residential schools were established during the time in Canadian history when European settlers were demanding the government provide the teachers they had promised for their settlements, and the government was finding it difficult to meet that obligation. It's difficult for people today to explain how education would have been provided to the more scattered (and often quite nomadic) First Nations communities. The British boarding-school option made sense in that context, and the churches were the predominate source of people willing to provide the services. There were serious problems identified with the delivery of services at several residential schools, and at some schools there was terrible and inexcusable abuse of the children in the care of the staff.

We can be reasonably certain, I think, that had early governments not made the effort to educate First Nations children, we'd be seeing a lot of modern-day guilt shaming for turning a blind eye while our government failed to provide an education to the majority of First Nations children.

Guilt-shaming isn't helpful, IMO - it just causes more anguish.
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^^^What else could have played out? There were no other alternatives to the church 'at the time'.
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oldtrucker wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 12:27 pm ^^^What else could have played out? There were no other alternatives to the church 'at the time'.
Exactly - the churches were the only ones willing to provide the service on the scale required.
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rustled wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 12:28 pm
oldtrucker wrote: Jul 30th, 2021, 12:27 pm ^^^What else could have played out? There were no other alternatives to the church 'at the time'.
Exactly - the churches were the only ones willing to provide the service on the scale required.
Wikipedia..."The system had its origins in laws enacted before Confederation, but it was primarily active from the passage of the Indian Act in 1876,..."

In 1876...Edison had not patented light bulbs nor had he invented the phonograph yet. Bell invented the first rudimentary telephone. The theory of evolution had been introduced 16 years earlier. The 30-30 'smokeless' Winchester cartridge wouldn't be introduced for another 18 years.
Totally different time....same planet , different world. Decisions were made on what was available to work with at the time.
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Who would have guessed that shaming would be the new weapon of winning an argument.
The new warfare is owned by so many. They finally have something to use to stand up and be heard.
It used to be intelligence, knowledge and action, now, with the help of the left governments its the way to go for so many.
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Agreed! The more it happens the more the$ expected.
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Refuse the frame.
When people try to use emotional bullying rather than reason and empathy the way to push back is to not engage in that frame at all.
Call it out and refuse to engage.

There are a lot of people who will bombard you with paragraph after paragraph of justifications and self justifications, simply refuse to engage with that.
Do not respect those who play without respect and empathy for others, refuse them their games.

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