Record Labour Shortages in Restaurant Industry

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Rejigger wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 9:40 am Is it still unknown, though? Really?

So information for a one year period (Mar'20 thru Mar'21) isn't enough to extrapolate from?
That period covers the period hit hardest by pandemic lockdowns so your information is going to be skewed. Numbers for the last six months will give you a more accurate picture, but I haveen't found any place those numbers are publicized. The main question through this whole thread is how many former restaurant employees are sitting at home collecting gov't benefits now.

Honestly, I don't know if you are intentionally being obtuse, or if you just don't want to read the information that's right before your eyes; on the internet with a few mouse clicks, on the morning, afternoon and evening news.
I can read as well as the next person, your conclusions are a pretty big leap of logic. A lot has happened since reopening started, explanations offered in a whole bunch of media articles gives a lot of different explanations. Sure, sitting at home on the dole is one of them but it's only one, and as yet there is no proof one way or the other.
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fluffy wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 8:22 am I am sensitive to the prejudice that exists, that there are many who tend to look down their noses at people the see as inferior based on nothing more than the job they hold. It permeates a lot of the posts in this thread.
So is it not true that women love a man who can cook? I hear it from time to time on the telly and never had a reason to doubt it.
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fluffy wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 12:25 pm A lot has happened since reopening started, explanations offered in a whole bunch of media articles gives a lot of different explanations. Sure, sitting at home on the dole is one of them but it's only one, and as yet there is no proof one way or the other.
I suspect the data is split between the CRB and EI because there was a switch from CRB over to EI for all who qualified. Meaning that if someone who was unemployed qualified for EI, then they HAD TO apply for it as they were not allowed to be on the CRB.

The data may be misleading if only one half of this equation is looked at. Maybe this is making it difficult for the average person to find such info.
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I commented earlier on here about my experiences with businesses looking for help. At that time it was banks and insurance offices.

A warehouse that I pass most days had a sign out that I had never seen in twenty years, "job fair", as did a mechanical shop, looking for welders and heavy duty mechanics.

Now I just experienced shortages in the airline industry.
A flight we were on out of Kamloops was delayed almost 3 hours due to no available flight crew.
Later that day we sat in a plane on the tarmac in Montreal for 50 minutes. No available ground crew.
It seems this is common throughout the airline industry, brought on by staff laid off and not brought back on time.

It makes for very frustrating travel.
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Rejigger wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 8:37 am
Trixster wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 7:34 am The storm has been brewing for many years and now it's time for rapture. The pandemic pushed restaurant employees to the brink and many found other employment opportunities. Employers better pull up there boot straps cause their in for the long haul of staffing shortages.
When Alberta had staffing shortages, the result was an increase in Temporary Foreign Workers, and this practice went on for years, until things changed during the pandemic (as with all things). Go to any Timmies in Calgary, for example, and it's mostly Filipino staff. A lot of restaurant kitchen workers are Mexican. Not unlike all the Mexican fruit pickers we have here.

Hypocritically, the Federal government is paying people to stay home while AT THE SAME TIME limiting the number of TFW that can be brought-in so as to fill job openings with Canadians. Huh. How long until the Federal government realizes that Canadians won't accept these jobs, and economies/GDP productivity suffers? Then are we back to bringing in TFW for all industries?

There's no shortage of Mexican fruit pickers shopping at Superstore these days. We all know why.

Click your heels together three times while chanting, "Hard work, crap hours, low wages" and *bam!* Temporary Foreign Workers will arrive.

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The TFW's is a great point. Even in the construction industry TFW's were plenty. The industry said there was a "shortage" of skilled trades. When the reality was that it had to be worth it for a skilled tradesman wage - and otherwise to work 20 in and 10 out. The reality is you had middlemen :cuss: blockers who saw the work and then advertised it to subs. In the end, you had middlemen that would be taking half the travel from big oil. Or passing off the electronics the subs had to the prime and paying a pittance. Or billing the subs truck for peanuts and walking away with the rest. There was a scam that ended up happening and big oil knew it. Big oil used these middlemen to bring down union workers and wages. And then in the end the middlemen became expendable as well. Why pay someone else to take a cut of a subs extras when you could phase out jobs and perks. And then just hire a skeleton crew and use a slew of TFW's.
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its almost like government deeming people "non-essential" while closing their businesses made people realize that the government doesn't give a :cuss: about you
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Why because they cannot get workers. How pitiful it is that has to happen when money is tight for many. OR is it . Has CERB made people so rich they need not work anymore. Have we made the country just a lazy bunch of Govt sponges? Sad ...
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motokelowna1 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm Why because they cannot get workers. How pitiful it is that has to happen when money is tight for many. OR is it . Has CERB made people so rich they need not work anymore. Have we made the country just a lazy bunch of Govt sponges? Sad ...
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Hmm.... interesting, I wonder if Ray Heathcote would be interested in returning to this location with a Taco Time.
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motokelowna1 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm Why because they cannot get workers. How pitiful it is that has to happen when money is tight for many. OR is it . Has CERB made people so rich they need not work anymore. Have we made the country just a lazy bunch of Govt sponges? Sad ...
And more restaurant closures to come, not necessarily for the same reason but the root cause will the same.
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eires37 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 1:44 pm
motokelowna1 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm Why because they cannot get workers. How pitiful it is that has to happen when money is tight for many. OR is it . Has CERB made people so rich they need not work anymore. Have we made the country just a lazy bunch of Govt sponges? Sad ...
And more restaurant closures to come, not necessarily for the same reason but the root cause will the same.
All it will take is 1 customer yelling at a young employee (or any employee) about having to show vax card. That employee says :cuss: this and walks has absolutely nothing to do with being lazy.
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motokelowna1 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm Why because they cannot get workers. How pitiful it is that has to happen when money is tight for many. OR is it . Has CERB made people so rich they need not work anymore. Have we made the country just a lazy bunch of Govt sponges? Sad ...
Rich? Really? Just how much do you think people make on CERB/CRB? (Hint: it's not very much)

That spot is in a bad location. Not many Mission residents looking for entry-level restaurant work. Anyone else in town would probably want something with a shorter commute. The price of everything is going up, which means businesses that need to attract workers will have to compete with each other. Not everyone will win. This is an unfortunate pitfall of the free market system.
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sure teens are looking.. who said they were closing? I like that location best.. long time staff. boo :(
when are they closing?
There are some seniors who meet there on the reg they will be restless
Maybe the 2 newer places at Mission Park sucked some business away, and the South Street burger just opened a not far from there.
I like the sweet potato fries.
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motokelowna1 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm Why because they cannot get workers. How pitiful it is that has to happen when money is tight for many. OR is it . Has CERB made people so rich they need not work anymore. Have we made the country just a lazy bunch of Govt sponges? Sad ...
Link?
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motokelowna1 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm Why because they cannot get workers. How pitiful it is that has to happen when money is tight for many. OR is it . Has CERB made people so rich they need not work anymore. Have we made the country just a lazy bunch of Govt sponges? Sad ...
First off, do you have a link to its closing?
Second, if it is closing, those are quite the assumptions you're making.

There's an A & W in Kamloops that we often went to.
The place has gone downhill since Covid started and the owners don't seem to care.
We won't be going back and I suspect it will close soon.

I hope not. They have great burgers and coffee.
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