Record Labour Shortages in Restaurant Industry

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oldtrucker wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 11:19 am May the 'Old boys'/sunshine tax club of Kelowna fall.....and may it fall hard.
I was talking everyone. Just cut the CPP and OAS. See you just created a new pool of workers. Since they were used to 5 or 10 dollars a day when they were younger, they won't mind the current minimum wage.
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AlienSoldier wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 11:57 am
oldtrucker wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 11:19 am May the 'Old boys'/sunshine tax club of Kelowna fall.....and may it fall hard.
I was talking everyone. Just cut the CPP and OAS. See you just created a new pool of workers. Since they were used to 5 or 10 dollars a day when they were younger, they won't mind the current minimum wage.
You're funny!

Cut CPP? Again? CPP is a pension plan that they would have contributed to while working, and only while working. Pension collection depends on what they've contributed throughout their working life. Why cut that? Plus, contributions go up each and every year as mandated by the government. In fact, stats have shown that anyone born before 1970 contributed more to CPP than they'll take out while those born after 1970 will take more from it than they will contribute.

Cut OAS? Trudeau's already doing that! Seniors will soon have to wait two more years before collecting it.

Also, OAS doesn't even begin to get clawed back until one earns almost $80k/year. Seniors can still work without their OAS being affected so long as they don't earn over ~$80 per person, per year, ~$160k per couple, per year. Blows your mind, doesn't it?

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Even Steven wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 11:36 am They actually specifically put on it that sign F/T shifts available too.

Let's go, Millenials! There's your chance!
The millenials are all in their 30's and 40's now, well established in their careers, with mortgages to pay and kids to feed. Oops.
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JayByrd wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 1:39 pm
Even Steven wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 11:36 am They actually specifically put on it that sign F/T shifts available too.

Let's go, Millenials! There's your chance!
The millenials are all in their 30's and 40's now, well established in their careers, with mortgages to pay and kids to feed. Oops.
What your saying is we should all be thankful that Boomers are helping out where needed because not everyone can. That's very nice of Boomers, yes?

But, yeah, c'mon young people, go get those jobs!
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Rejigger wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 1:55 pm .

What your saying is we should all be thankful that Boomers are helping out where needed because not everyone can. That's very nice of Boomers, yes?

But, yeah, c'mon young people, go get those jobs!
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I'm not saying anything like that. People usually work because they need the money, not to "help out".

I'm not personally concerned about a business closing because they can't staff their store. As I said earlier, it's an unfortunate casualty of a free market system. I'm sorry for the people who *are* working there who face upheaval in their jobs, but that's how she goes.
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I am beginning to think of the Edwardian era’s shift: the number of domestic servants was greatly reduced because fewer of the young folks stuck around. They found other employers.
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JayByrd wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 3:20 pm
Rejigger wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 1:55 pm What you're saying is we should all be thankful that Boomers are helping out where needed because not everyone can. That's very nice of Boomers, yes?
But, yeah, c'mon young people, go get those jobs!
I'm not saying anything like that. People usually work because they need the money, not to "help out".

I'm not personally concerned about a business closing because they can't staff their store. As I said earlier, it's an unfortunate casualty of a free market system. I'm sorry for the people who *are* working there who face upheaval in their jobs, but that's how she goes.
Ugh, this again? It's not a free market when the government is competing with business - which is what they're doing by paying people the CRB.

CRB ---> payments from the government for doing nothing ---> socialism ---> NOT free market

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I’m curious if anyone else thinks that perhaps a whack of people retired due to the pandemic and there has been a leveling-up of sorts in the workforce. The largest generation in modern history is getting set to retire. Market forces, baby, market forces.
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kgcayenne wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 4:07 pm I’m curious if anyone else thinks that perhaps a whack of people retired due to the pandemic and there has been a leveling-up of sorts in the workforce. The largest generation in modern history is getting set to retire. Market forces, baby, market forces.
I'm thinking they're shifting into something more stable .

Back in my service industry days , I'd go to work not knowing if I'd make 100 or 200 bucks or having to pay to be there . So I went to work Monday to Friday 9 to 5 for xx per hours . Every two weeks I'd get a paycheck with a guaranteed amount of money ..

Now with Covid , you don't even know if you're going to work at all never mind asshat customers you're going to have to deal with ..

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Rejigger wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 4:02 pmUgh, this again? It's not a free market when the government is competing with business - which is what they're doing by paying people the CRB.

CRB ---> payments from the government for doing nothing ---> socialism ---> NOT free market

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Competition is a good thing for the market. Maybe all the businesses should form a union. After all - the government is too much competition.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 4:51 pm Competition is a good thing for the market. Maybe all the businesses should form a union. After all - the government is too much competition.
Businesses are competing against the government to attract employees. Businesses are not competing against the government for the sale of products or services. The fact that the government is paying people to do nothing disincentivizes those people from working and, therefore, interferes with a business' ability to provide its products and services.

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Rejigger wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 5:42 pm
nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 4:51 pm Competition is a good thing for the market. Maybe all the businesses should form a union. After all - the government is too much competition.
Businesses are competing against the government to attract employees. Businesses are not competing against the government for the sale of products or services. The fact that the government is paying people to do nothing disincentivizes those people from working and, therefore, interferes with a business' ability to provide its products and services.

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And for a generation, the government was propping up businesses. That ship has sailed. Let it go. People are a bigger currency than leeches calling themselves businesses exploiting people. The time of artificially propping up a broken system should just be allowed to die.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 6:11 pm People are a bigger currency than leeches calling themselves businesses exploiting people.
^What the heck is this? Are you getting your posts from an internet random phrase generator?
Are you saying you aren't happy with what Trudeau has done over the past 6 years?
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JayByrd wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 1:39 pm The millenials are all in their 30's and 40's now, well established in their careers, with mortgages to pay and kids to feed. Oops.
I'm a millennial. But I see lots of people my age being complete useless bodies. Bouncing from job to job, no accomplishments of any kind, no promotions because they're just aimlessly going through the motion, waiting for "the big break". And of course it's all boomers fault because they apparently ruined the economy, climate, and the country.

What boomers are stopping them from being on time every morning and being less of a complainy Nancy Pants I don't know...doesn't cost you anything to be good at your job. But most have this mentality "I'm not being paid what I'm worth so I'm not going to put any effort".

The thought that they're not worth much because they're not putting any effort never crosses their mind.

And then I have a 24 year old who doesn't have any education but has lots of drive to succeed and work hard who makes over $30/hour and who will be offered partial ownership of the company through sweat equity later next year at a different location somewhere in US so will be making close to $120K/year in a couple of years. So, not all millenials are like that. Lots of opportunities for right people. Unfortunately they're a minority. 80/20 rule.
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Rejigger wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 6:29 pm
nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 14th, 2021, 6:11 pm People are a bigger currency than leeches calling themselves businesses exploiting people.
^What the heck is this? Are you getting your posts from an internet random phrase generator?
Are you saying you aren't happy with what Trudeau has done over the past 6 years?
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