Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters

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nucksRnum1 wrote: Aug 22nd, 2021, 9:02 pm My daughter is 13 and she has collected some very interesting views. And if she made this particular surgical mistake and then regret it after.....first Id laugh at her - and then id say "I told you so". She will have to be the one that lives with her choice. Not me.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 9:46 am No thanks. I have better things to do than listen to Jordan Peterson. A guy who thinks he has all the answers - and yet tweaks out on prescription drugs and goes squirrely holed up in a dark room. Funny how he had all the answers with everyone else besides himself. It was intoxicating to see his plummet from grace.
Just goes to show you that Peterson is a person, just like everyone of us and is fighting his demons, just like everyone of us. Makes his points much more real.
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OKkayak wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 11:37 amJust goes to show you that Peterson is a person, just like everyone of us and is fighting his demons, just like everyone of us. Makes his points much more real.
Only if you were a subscription carrier of his. The absence was a breath of fresh air for the rest of us.
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I find it incredibly wrong for a doctor/surgeon to be performing this procedure on a child, period... no ifs buts or maybes about it.
Come on Supreme Court of Canada step up and do Your Job.

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GordonH wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 8:07 pm I find it incredibly wrong for a doctor/surgeon to be performing this procedure on a child, period... no ifs buts or maybes about it.
Yet bill C-6 would make it a crime to not provide gender-affirming care.
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36Drew wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 8:33 pm
GordonH wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 8:07 pm I find it incredibly wrong for a doctor/surgeon to be performing this procedure on a child, period... no ifs buts or maybes about it.
Yet bill C-6 would make it a crime to not provide gender-affirming care.
Why would this be in the Citizenship Act
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GordonH wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 8:37 pm Why would this be in the Citizenship Act
https://parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/43-2/ ... rd-reading
An Act to amend the Criminal Code (conversion therapy)
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There is no end to the tragic regret of young trans people. It usually begins with a vague feeling, enquiries, affirmation, acceptance, then seduction towards changing. A change of such magnitude shouldn't begin with dysphoria or confusion, but assertive thinking. Unfortunately, there is a lack of literature to help those who regret transitioning which is thousands of young people and growing. Transitioning rarely solves feelings of dysphoria. Despite what-ever you change to, your DNA will catch up.

This is a story of a 16yo young lady who regretted taking male hormones. At age 24 and in university she was labelled a detransitioner and was angry at the people who pushed her so forcibly towards transitioning. She was too young to realize that she was actually lesbian. Her 'inclusive LGBTQ community' ostracized this needy young woman over her decision to detransition. You wonder if support is borne of political or tribal warfare. Trans-activists do not seem to understand detrans people and consider it an attack on the LGBQ community. In this instance, clearer reasoning prevailed at an age above 20.


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Jlabute wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 10:25 pm Unfortunately, there is a lack of literature to help those who regret transitioning which is thousands of young people and growing. Transitioning rarely solves feelings of dysphoria. Despite what-ever you change to, your DNA will catch up.
Worse than "lack of literature" is the "lack of study" of giving young girls experimental drugs (namely Lupron) to "block" puberty. Those pushing it (our own government - http://www.phsa.ca/transcarebc/child-yo ... -for-youth) often market it as a "delaying puberty" - but it's not really a delay. The human body won't magically start the puberty process four or five years later.

We are medicalizing young kids. Not even mid-teens. Young kids. This use of Lupron is off-lable (it's used to fight prostate and uterine cancers) and not at all recommended by the manufacturer. it's known to have nasty side-effects (https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lup ... -problems/). Our society is allowing our medical establishment to medicalize kids as young as 8 in canada, without parental involvement. If you - as a parent - try to interfere in any way, you risk being prosecuted.

That's what "Irreversable Damage" is about. Should read and learn a thing or two. The now-defunct aforementioned bill C-6 would thrust this level of "Gender Affirming Care" upon us. Unfortunately, it is certain to return next parliament.
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GordonH wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 8:07 pm I find it incredibly wrong for a doctor/surgeon to be performing this procedure on a child, period... no ifs buts or maybes about it.
But here's the deal - for many of those who truly suffer, gender re-assignment has been a life saver. The earlier the better in this case.

The problem - Children being sure about a lifetime decision. Especially when influenced by media.

This is when you need more than a doctor, psychologists should be involved.
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I scanned all the comments and didn't see any from a trans young person, or any one considering or having previously considered this option.
Those are the points of view that would interest me - not those of all these others debating what is best or worst for those in that situation.
The rest of you all have every right to your opinion, I however have no time or interest in entertaining it.
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Chamboknows wrote: Aug 24th, 2021, 11:38 am I scanned all the comments and didn't see any from a trans young person, or any one considering or having previously considered this option.
Those are the points of view that would interest me - not those of all these others debating what is best or worst for those in that situation.
The rest of you all have every right to your opinion, I however have no time or interest in entertaining it.
Getting their opinion makes sense. Ignoring everyone else's doesn't. It's like asking a 8yo if he/she should be allowed to eat cake for breakfast.

Remember, the topic being debated here is minors making the decision - not whether it's a good/bad decision to make as a young adult. Feedback from non-minors who've made the decision isn't relevant, and anything you do get from a minor would be suspect.
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TylerM4 wrote: But here's the deal - for many of those who truly suffer, gender re-assignment has been a life saver. The earlier the better in this case. The problem - Children being sure about a lifetime decision.
I can appreciate there is likely some truth to the idea "the earlier the better", but I find myself still 100% opposed to allowing a child or a minor to make such a permanently life-altering decision. Such a troubled child would definitely be served by psychological counselling, and getting that support while struggling through their teen years could lead to better decisions as an adult. As already noted this would be very confusing for any young person, but like many things that confused us when we were teenagers, for the most part, that confusion was temporary. Gender reassignment a difficult decision to correct.
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Ka-El wrote: Aug 24th, 2021, 1:21 pm I can appreciate there is likely some truth to the idea "the earlier the better", but I find myself still 100% opposed to allowing a child or a minor to make such a permanently life-altering decision. Such a troubled child would definitely be served by psychological counselling, and getting that support while struggling through their teen years could lead to better decisions as an adult. As already noted this would be very confusing for any young person, but like many things that confused us when we were teenagers, for the most part, that confusion was temporary. Gender reassignment a difficult decision to correct.
I agree with your sentiment. But at the end of the day - Some kids would really be helped by opening the door to a younger age. Is it really appropriate to deny them that chance "because it might be a mistake for some"?

Hence my thoughts around a psychologist being involved. A psychologist should be able to advise: Does the child have the right motivations? Will the child significantly benefit from doing it now vs waiting until 18? How likely is the child to regret the decision? Etc.
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Chamboknows wrote: Aug 24th, 2021, 11:38 am I scanned all the comments and didn't see any from a trans young person, or any one considering or having previously considered this option.
Just to be clear on what you're saying - you're okay with pre-pubescent children (10 years old), seeking, consenting to, and receiving experimental puberty blockers (Lupron, for example) without any parental guidance or counselling to discover if they're truly suffering from gender dysphoria? You're suggesting a 10-year-old girl is mentally-developed enough to decide that they are truly born in the wrong body, can fully understand all the risks and outcomes of said experimental uses of these drugs, and is capable of consenting to halt puberty development entirely? And you're okay with this?
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